[Politics] Brexit

[Crawley Dingo]

Not all of our problems are due to Brexit.... but a substantial load of them are....

and millions of people were misled into thinking Brexit was a solution to our problems; they were lied to.

I am pleased you and dsr-burnley have 'found each other' though

No the far bigger costs were lockdown for starters. It wasn't seen as a solution but about self determination. I don't know dsr-burnley is I don't do a tribal gang thing but you be you.

 

[WATFORD zero]

No the far bigger costs were lockdown for starters. It wasn't seen as a solution but about self determination. I don't know dsr-burnley is I don't do a tribal gang thing but you be you.

Even nearly two years ago, the Chairman of the OBR said Brexit had already had the same impact as the total COVID costs, not just the lockdown bit and we've had two more years of Brexit 'benefits since

Brexit damage as big as Covid, says OBR​

The impact of Brexit on the UK economy is on the same “magnitude” as the Covid pandemic and energy price crisis, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) has said. Britain’s gross domestic product (GDP) will be 4 per cent smaller than if the country had stayed in the EU, the head of the government’s fiscal watchdog confirmed on Sunday.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-damage-uk-economy-covid-b2308178.html

But maybe an accountant from Burnley will be along soon to tell us that he knows better

 

[nicko31]

No the far bigger costs were lockdown for starters. It wasn't seen as a solution but about self determination. I don't know dsr-burnley is I don't do a tribal gang thing but you be you.

Unfortunately with Brexit you got the Vote Leave government, how many PM's did we have between 2015 and 2024 again? I think almost everyone of the parliamentary Tory party became a minister at some point, sometimes only for a day or two.

The fact is they lied and they won, not just the referendum but then a couple of elections too.

They felt vindicated and once this happened it was only ever going to end in disaster.

We've still got Brexit but at least we finally have a stable governance

 

[nicko31]

Even nearly two years ago, the Chairman of the OBR said Brexit had already had the same impact as the total COVID costs, not just the lockdown bit and we've had two more years of Brexit 'benefits since

Brexit damage as big as Covid, says OBR​

The impact of Brexit on the UK economy is on the same “magnitude” as the Covid pandemic and energy price crisis, the chairman of the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) has said. Britain’s gross domestic product (GDP) will be 4 per cent smaller than if the country had stayed in the EU, the head of the government’s fiscal watchdog confirmed on Sunday.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-damage-uk-economy-covid-b2308178.html

But maybe an accountant from Burnley will be along soon to tell us that he knows better

4% is a lot of tax rises. Faux sovereignty is expensive

 

[Is it PotG?]

.......but at least we finally have a stable governance

Try telling that to Louise Haigh.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Try telling that to Louise Haigh.

I'm assuming the third was out of shot, but it doesn't roll off the tongue as easily, dumb, dumber and Is it POTG

 

[Is it PotG?]

I'm assuming the third was out of shot, but doesn't roll off the tongue as easily

That's brilliant!

 

[Lever]

No the far bigger costs were lockdown for starters. It wasn't seen as a solution but about self determination. I don't know dsr-burnley is I don't do a tribal gang thing but you be you.

'Serious structural problems', 'idiots' who ruled us, and 'lockdown'.

No problems caused by Brexit in Crawley then?

Oh well, you are stuck with being you.... and no doubt that means you will carry on waiting for all the mythological Brexit benefits; you know, those promised sunny uplands.

I am happy you have at least one positive endorsement with dsr-burnley, whether you appreciate it or not. I am also happy that your view on Brexit is slowly but surely being successfully challenged and comprehensively trashed.

 

[Lever]

‘The Brexit Lies that Literally Made Us All Poorer’

Iain Overton examines the lack of consequences for the Brexiters that promised us sunny uplands

bylinetimes.com

 

[Pavilionaire]

Its called subsidiarity not bollocks and they were more like "never in" rather than opt outs, they are also arguments of why we should never have entered.

Again, more bollocks. They are legally known as opt-outs. Loads of EU countries have them. The EU is painted as a "one size fits all" organisation when - in fact - they are remarkably flexible. From the EU website:

Opting out​

Certain EU Member States have what are known as opt-outs, which are a means of ensuring that when a given Member State does not want to take part in a particular field of EU policy, it can opt out, thus avoiding an overall stalemate.

Examples of opt-outs include:

• Schengen Agreement: Ireland;
• economic and monetary union: Denmark;
• defence: Denmark;
• EU Charter of Fundamental Rights: Poland;
• area of freedom, security and justice: Denmark and Ireland (the latter may opt into given initiatives if it wishes).

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Again, more bollocks. They are legally known as opt-outs. Loads of EU countries have them. The EU is painted as a "one size fits all" organisation when - in fact - they are remarkably flexible. From the EU website:

Opting out​

Certain EU Member States have what are known as opt-outs, which are a means of ensuring that when a given Member State does not want to take part in a particular field of EU policy, it can opt out, thus avoiding an overall stalemate.

Examples of opt-outs include:

• Schengen Agreement: Ireland;
• economic and monetary union: Denmark;
• defence: Denmark;
• EU Charter of Fundamental Rights: Poland;
• area of freedom, security and justice: Denmark and Ireland (the latter may opt into given initiatives if it wishes).

I have heard it said that Dingo is a biased idiot in denial.

I would be disappointed if this were the case. Saddened, in fact.