Got something to say or just want fewer pesky ads? Join us... 😊

[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


  • Total voters
    1,099


Lever

Well-known member
Feb 6, 2019
5,443


Just to be clear....

Two, 50 or 100 years: when do leavers think Brexit will pay off?

Jacob Rees-Mogg says the benefits of leaving the EU may not be felt for 50 years – and he’s not the only Eurosceptic asking the people of Britain to wait patiently

Jacob Rees-Mogg

According to one of the most prominent Brexiters, Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, we should see the benefits of Brexit in about half a century. “We won’t know the full economic consequences for a very long time,” he said. “The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years.” So, not long to go now!

Amid the overwhelming predictions that our exit from the EU – stated for 29 March – will be disastrous, others have been marginally more optimistic. Here are some of the leading Brexit cheerleaders’ forecasts for when Brexit will finally pay off.

Now
In a speech in 2016, the prominent leave campaigner and then future Brexit secretary David Davis said: “The greatest improvements will come if we grasp the opportunities for free trade with both hands. That means immediately seeking free trade agreements with the biggest prospective markets as fast as possible. There is no reason why many of these cannot be achieved within two years.” By 2024

“If we do the right thing, it will probably take four or five years for Britain to show it is thriving outside the European Union,” said Simon Wolfson, a pro-Brexit Tory peer and the chief executive of the retail chain Next, several months after the referendum.

Boris Johnson has made a similar estimate, stating that he is a fan of Canada’s free trade agreement with the EU, which he said in 2016 would give us a “very bright future”. Canada’s deal took five years of negotiations, concluding in 2014, and is still not entirely in place.

By 2025
By the mid-2020s, we should see “a post-Brexit dividend of £135bn just between 2020 and 2025, with a further £40bn a year from then on”, according to Rees-Mogg, who was quoting figures from the pro-Brexit group Economists for Free Trade. The Institute for Fiscal Studies has said this dividend does not exist.

By 2030
Vote Leave campaign bus
Yes, that bus.
Andrew Lilico, the executive director of the analyst Europe Economics and a leave campaigner, told the BBC last year that “by 2030 we should come out about even”. When it was pointed out to him on Twitter that this did not sound like a great deal, Lilico replied that “it wouldn’t be if one were arguing to leave on the basis of the economics”. Perhaps he missed the Brexit campaign bus that promised an extra £350m a week to the NHS.

By 2060
Giving a speech as part of the BBC’s Brexit Lectures series in April, the international trade secretary, Liam Fox, said he was looking ahead several decades regarding global economic growth. He earmarked post-Brexit opportunities for 2060, when “it is predicted that there will be 1.1 billion middle-class Africans”.

By 2064
The earliest year by which Britain will have finished paying its £37.1bn Brexit “divorce bill”, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility. Most should be paid by the early 2020s, but we will still be making payments for the subsequent four decades. If you make it this far, hang on a few more years to see if 99-year-old Rees-Mogg’s half-century timescale is proved right.

By 2116
Digby Jones, a crossbench peer and former director-general of the CBI, wanted the delegates at the Black Country Local Enterprise Partnership’s annual conference in 2016 to know that he was “a very optimistic guy”. He then went on to say: “I think Britain in 100 years’ time will thank God they came out.”

Never?
Nigel Farage never promised that Brexit “would be a huge success”, he said on LBC radio. “I never said it would be a beneficial thing to leave and everyone would be better off,” said Farage – who has repeatedly said we would be better off – “just that we would be self-governing.”
 




WATFORD zero

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 10, 2003
27,752
Good to see you are still the number one cretinous imbecile on here, believing crappy wording on a youtube video headlines and still incapable of quoting the actual words said.
You really are a poster child for the remoaners on here (not the same as remainers)
:dunce:

Well that clip obviously triggered the nightshift :lolol:

As usual though, a few angry insults and absolutely nothing to actually say about how to resolve the complete and utter clusterf*** that they campaigned and voted for :dunce:
 


Randy McNob

> > > > > > Cardiff > > > > >
Jun 13, 2020
4,724
Well that clip obviously triggered the nightshift :lolol:

As usual though, a few angry insults and absolutely nothing to actually say about how to resolve the complete and utter clusterf*** that they campaigned and voted for :dunce:

I'm not quite sure what the point he feels he is making other than further confirmation he is one of the divide and rule pawns used to get Brexit over the line, still using terms such as "remainer" - displaying all the classic hallmarks of your typical Brexiter - never questioning, examining the facts or partaking in constructive debate, still under the illusion the are in a majority view when in reality even leave voters have moved on and he is left in a small group of idealogues who just know where the dividing line is and continue to sling mud at the other side.
 










A1X

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
20,531
Deepest, darkest Sussex


A1X

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
20,531
Deepest, darkest Sussex
Great news everyone, I’ve found a Brexit benefit!

[tweet]1456339918972719105[/tweet]

More veggies and vegans, good first step toward Net Zero
 




vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
28,272
Great news everyone, I’ve found a Brexit benefit!

[tweet]1456339918972719105[/tweet]

More veggies and vegans, good first step toward Net Zero

Sadly for the few remaining loons, I believe that once exported for butchering and packing it has to be labelled as EU meat before being reimported.
 




nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,574
Gods country fortnightly
At least the EU are helping us out with butchering our own meat. But does the meat getting returned with non-EU salt rub?
 








WATFORD zero

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 10, 2003
27,752
After Johnson and co have unsurprisingly found that their 'Brexit Good Deal' is completely unimplementable, I believe this is his latest plan for trying to avoid the blindingly obvious

Brexit: Triggering Article 16 would be ‘monumentally stupid’, warns John Major

It would be “colossally stupid” to trigger Article 16 and suspend the Northern Ireland Brexit agreement, John Major has warned. Speaking on Saturday the former Tory prime minister branded the policy – thought to be under consideration by Boris Johnson – “absurd”.

“To use Article 16, to suspended parts of the protocol, would be absurd. This protocol is being denounced week after week by Lord Frost and the prime minister. “Who negotiated the wretched protocol? Lord Frost and the prime minister. They negotiated it, they signed it, they now wish to break it.”


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-article-16-john-major-northern-ireland-b1952850.html

But since when has 'monumentally stupid' stopped Johnson and his merry band of Brexit supporters, campaigners and voters ?

Meanwhile the British economy continues to tank :facepalm:
 






nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,574
Gods country fortnightly
After Johnson and co have unsurprisingly found that their 'Brexit Good Deal' is completely unimplementable, I believe this is his latest plan for trying to avoid the blindingly obvious

Brexit: Triggering Article 16 would be ‘monumentally stupid’, warns John Major

It would be “colossally stupid” to trigger Article 16 and suspend the Northern Ireland Brexit agreement, John Major has warned. Speaking on Saturday the former Tory prime minister branded the policy – thought to be under consideration by Boris Johnson – “absurd”.

“To use Article 16, to suspended parts of the protocol, would be absurd. This protocol is being denounced week after week by Lord Frost and the prime minister. “Who negotiated the wretched protocol? Lord Frost and the prime minister. They negotiated it, they signed it, they now wish to break it.”


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-article-16-john-major-northern-ireland-b1952850.html

But since when has 'monumentally stupid' stopped Johnson and his merry band of Brexit supporters, campaigners and voters ?

Meanwhile the British economy continues to tank :facepalm:

Where did it all go wrong?
 

Attachments

  • Capture.PNG
    Capture.PNG
    988.3 KB · Views: 59


vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
28,272
Where did it all go wrong?
The Oven Ready Deal was just to get it " Done " then to hope something turns up or that the EU decides that it won't enforce and implement all the dodgy bits.

We still keep coming back to the old old problem that the GFA stipulates no hard border between NI/Eire and that the EU has to have EU/Third Country border controls. It is insoluble. Still waiting for those " Technical Solutions " bigged up 5 years back and they are taking their time...

Still it suits Johnson and his allies to keep looking for more battles with the EU as that then rouses the rabble to look " Over There! " rather than spot the huge economic impact right under our noses.
 










Albion and Premier League latest from Sky Sports


Top
Link Here