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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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Lever

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Feb 6, 2019
5,446
I'll be honest and respect you feel this is important for the country, we could argue we had adequate control in these areas anyway but fair enough, I guess the differences in opinion are whether, considering where we are today and the effect on the economy if it's a price worth paying. You and other Brexiters say yes and others say no

I applaud your civil approach to posters with drastically different perspectives.

No one can claim to know for sure how this will play out, but I thought this was an interesting, well-balanced analysis....

https://www.theweek.co.uk/brexit-0
 
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WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
27,781
Someone got triggered last night, posting, mentioning other posters and giving thumbs up on their various accounts, all within minutes of one another, after managing to resist posting anything all day long.

I wonder what could have caused that :wink:
 


vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
28,273
It won’t stop huge tariffs on mackerel

They’d be better off trying to get a fisherman’s hardship fund off the ground
The jingoism in the media is hilarious when it comes to fish and fishing.

I saw a report that " Armed" Royal Navy ships are set to patrol our waters... Call me old fashioned but, haven't they always been armed and isn't that what they have been doing since the time of Henry The 8th?

Im assuming that all the French, Dutch, Danish and Belgian boats must be quaking in their sea boots ?
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat

Our fish? :lolol: Do they have a union flag stamped on their fins? Do the fish know where the boundaries are?

Gunboats? Yes we have some inshore patrol boats, but they’re hardly bristling with armaments.
What will they do when they challenge a boat, who then produces a document saying they bought the right to fish from the rich fishing companies in the 90s?
 






Dick Swiveller

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Sep 9, 2011
9,533
Been avoiding the whole damn mess but saw this trending on Twitter and nails it for me. No idea on the usual position of the author, the Times or any of it as I have better things to do than scour the internet for articles that support my position or trigger me. Just watched the news every so often and popped in here once in a while to see the stalemate. But this seems spot on to how I see it.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...x?shareToken=14496bff3e8c7ab71dde8fe939652dc4
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,025
Im assuming that all the French, Dutch, Danish and Belgian boats must be quaking in their sea boots ?

forget the silly tabloid headlines, the EU boats might be concerned they'll be fishing UK water illegally as things stand. its a sticky wicket, they cant fish and high tariffs means fish we catch will soar in price there.
 




WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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forget the silly tabloid headlines, the EU boats might be concerned they'll be fishing UK water illegally as things stand. its a sticky wicket, they cant fish and high tariffs means fish we catch will soar in price there.

You seem to have missed the fact that it's a little more complex than that and creates an extremely 'sticky wicket', high tariffs. soaring prices and probably rotting fish going to waste, for both sides.

EU trade is 'key' to success of UK fish industry as 75% of home-caught fish is exported - and majority of fish eaten by Britons is imported

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-4043758/EU-trade-key-success-UK-fish-industry-75-home-caught-fish-exported-majority-fish-eaten-Britons-imported.html

It is the one area of BREXIT negotiations that I believe the UK may have had a 'slight' advantage. But put in perspective, that is a slight advantage in this particular area of mutual destruction :shootself
 
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vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
28,273
Brexit = Nationalism
Indeed this is the basic fact, you hear them all the time on the radio " we shouldn't allow the EU to tell us what to do" " we want our sovereignty back".

There is a collective mindset that defines the UK as different from the rest of the EU and that we should be granted special exemptions ( which we have been given time after time!) but still get all the benefits of the Free Market.

It was aptly described thus " UK citizens that move to a EU country to live and work are doing that country a favour, if EU citizens come here, we are doing them a favour"
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,025
Been avoiding the whole damn mess but saw this trending on Twitter and nails it for me. No idea on the usual position of the author, the Times or any of it as I have better things to do than scour the internet for articles that support my position or trigger me. Just watched the news every so often and popped in here once in a while to see the stalemate. But this seems spot on to how I see it.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...x?shareToken=14496bff3e8c7ab71dde8fe939652dc4

its a pretty good summary, government pursuing a policy they dont really want to, but dont know what else to do.
 




Garry Nelson's teacher

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May 11, 2015
5,257
Bloody Worthing!
The jingoism in the media is hilarious when it comes to fish and fishing.

I saw a report that " Armed" Royal Navy ships are set to patrol our waters... Call me old fashioned but, haven't they always been armed and isn't that what they have been doing since the time of Henry The 8th?

Im assuming that all the French, Dutch, Danish and Belgian boats must be quaking in their sea boots ?

This is the ultimate playing out of the Brexit madness. A chance for Johnson to get a hard-on with his Churchill fantasy perhaps? Deploying warships 'against' our NATO allies. Putin must be pissing himself laughing.
What has this country come to?
 


WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
27,781
its a pretty good summary, government pursuing a policy they dont really want to, but dont know what else to do.

I think that the grab for power took priority over any research, facts, planning, logic or detail from long before the referendum, through the two Conservative leadership elections and the two GE's. Johnson having to step down and May getting power turned out to be an unplanned minor hiccup in the end (imagine the vitriol she would have got had she negotiated a sensible deal). But getting power was so all encompassing that the answer to anything that may risk that was simply to kick it down the road.

That power grab was finally completed last year and we have been on a single track to disaster ever since. Cummings has gone, the ERG seem to have lost their voice, the Unionists have been totally stitched up and Johnson is left holding the reins at the point where we've finally run out of road. Of course, they don't want to be here and don't know what to do, but I believe that realisation has only come since they got into power and for some, even more recently.

I think it was one of the major reasons why the debate has been so divisive and vociferous. You've either fully backed the Johnson/Cummings/ERG ticket for the last 5 years, regardless of what they said or did, or you thought it was a total disaster from day one and have hammered them for everything they have done since. No shades of grey :shrug:

Trouble is we are all on board and there is now no possibility of getting off

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Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
62,734
The Fatherland
when you go to the States and a local says where you from, do you actually say Europe??!

It’s an attractive option to the embarrassment of saying you’re English.
 






Chicken Run

Member Since Jul 2003
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Jul 17, 2003
19,816
Valley of Hangleton
Someone got triggered last night, posting, mentioning other posters and giving thumbs up on their various accounts, all within minutes of one another, after managing to resist posting anything all day long.

I wonder what could have caused that :wink:

Seeing as your apparently so well up on tech, I use Tapatalk and don’t have this facility of thumbs that you so eagerly talk about, do you know where I could get them?

Oh and now that you’ve probably sobered up any chance you can decide wether or not you know wether the mods can confirm multiple accounts or not so that we can confirm this bet, you stormed off last calling me a wanker which was very unlike you, you are usually the modicum of calm on the Brexit thread? [emoji6]
 


daveinprague

New member
Oct 1, 2009
12,572
Prague, Czech Republic
Brexiteers concentrating on personal issues rather than the **** up they have facilitated :lol:

So, Johnsons call to Merkle went well. Suggests the government still doesn't understand how the EU works, and they started to believe their own bs
 
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Stat Brother

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Jul 11, 2003
73,888
West west west Sussex
A good catch up read for those of us who really can't be 'doing with all this shite, as well'.

[tweet]1337437325979246593[/tweet]
 




Baldseagull

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Jan 26, 2012
11,839
Crawley
Just because a dog is born in a stable doesn’t mean it’s a horse, when you go to the States and a local says where you from, do you actually say Europe??!

If Sussex separated from the UK, would you cease to be English?
 




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