Nope, that's not news, it's mere speculation.
What do we actually get by leaving that we couldn't get by staying - in reality?
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Nope, that's not news, it's mere speculation.
What do we actually get by leaving that we couldn't get by staying - in reality?
Pretty pink fairy
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- Jan 30, 2008
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Well we've signed up to nearly 200 billion pounds worth of trade with 57 other countries around the world the latest one with Vietnam,EU R.I.P
Regards
DF
Pretty pink fairy
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JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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Good old nicko always peddling pro-EU/anti-UK propaganda a worthy successor to William Joyce.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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Hardly speculation, how many EC/EU treaties have been signed that return powers to nation-states rather than surrendering power to Brussels without any specific democratic mandate?
Increased democratic accountability
Randy McNob
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Hardly speculation, how many EC/EU treaties have been signed that return powers to nation-states rather than surrendering power to Brussels without any specific democratic mandate?
Increased democratic accountability
which powers? what will we be able to do differently from 1st Jan?
That is what I am trying to ascertain.... genuinely!
You just get general terms like 'freedom', 'powers' etc bandied about without clarity or evidence. It's frustrating!
nicko31
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So you think me posting about the plight of Welsh Hill farmers in the event of no deal, the destruction of our successful automotive sector and the risk to our national security is pro-EU?
I'm pro-UK, I'm afraid your ill thought judgement risks the very existence of the UK.
I'm a patroit, you are a nationalist. There is a difference
I'm not sure what else I can say but you do need to take some responsibility for your actions.
pastafarian
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You lot really should have explained better during the referendum campaign that we could remain members of the EU and could still quit being members of the single market, could no longer have to domestically abide by EU directives, could remove ourselves from the European parliament, could ignore the EU commission, could pursue an independent international trade policy, quit CAP, no longer have to abide by the Common External Tariff, permanently end free movement, manage our own EEZ independently instead of collectively by the EU,return powers back to Westminster that were previously ceded to Brussels in the name of pooled sovereignty, disregard the supremacy of the ECJ, no longer have to recognise the supremacy of EU law and could veto giving any money to the EU budget……..…..do all this and still stayed IN
Why didn’t you lot say this earlier?
JC Footy Genius
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Ah, that's an interesting question. On one hand, die-hard remainers claim the EU is incredibly important and non-membership leaves us bereft of numerous freedoms, power and influence while in the next breath saying our membership doesn't really surrender many significant powers to the EU ever closer union project.
We regain much more control in numerous areas (primacy of UK law, immigration, democratic accountability etc)
Randy McNob
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Exactly, they are just slogans, Faragisms and tabloid bollox
Pretty pink fairy
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You need to go and knock one out lever, it's all playing out in front of your eyes , deal with it move on and take the other EU loons with you there's a good chap
Regards
DF
vegster
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This is the truth of the matter. Once they lose their subsidies and have tariffs added to the cost of their lamb, they lose money and they are completely ****ed. They can't herd or grow anything other than Lamb on those hillsides as the soil and climate is too poor to grow anything other than grass for Sheep..They all have their livelihoods destroyed overnight., forever.
JC Footy Genius
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No, I think your posts that always side with the EU under all circumstances day after day, month after month, year after year, suggest that you are #teamEU all the way.
nicko31
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They won't last long at all, many survive on meagre income, its a world away from the privileged toffs that run our country who don't have a clue.
It will also change the British countryside forever, such farming risks becoming something we see only in a museum
nicko31
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I just gave you examples of 3 posts, that were nothing to do with being pro EU and all about protecting our safety and prosperity.
I was born a European and will always be, even if for now we have left its political union
Randy McNob
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I'll be honest and respect you feel this is important for the country, we could argue we had adequate control in these areas anyway but fair enough, I guess the differences in opinion are whether, considering where we are today and the effect on the economy if it's a price worth paying. You and other Brexiters say yes and others say no
Randy McNob
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Brexit = Nationalism
Just because a dog is born in a stable doesn’t mean it’s a horse, when you go to the States and a local says where you from, do you actually say Europe??!
Do Egyptian’s describe themselves as African?