[Politics] Brexit

[Pretty pink fairy]

These would be 'reasonable people' like your good self then?

The Bubbles burst time to move on or maybe you can find another bubble to live in
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

If you believed in some of this crap the whole country's coming to a halt on 1..1.2021, sake i've just cracked another rib
Regards
DF

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

This is well worth a look. It conveys the satisfaction with the EU across (selected) EU countries, including the UK.

Even better, it shows that even UK citizens rank Macron and Merkel higher than they rate Johnson. Priceless!

It could be that the opinion poll data is beginning to evoke the old Joni Mitchell line - 'you don't know what you've got till it's gone'. What a crying bloody shame that it's taken this long for the penny (or Euro) to drop.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...u-population-feel-good-about-bloc-study-finds

 

[nicko31]

This is well worth a look. It conveys the satisfaction with the EU across (selected) EU countries, including the UK.

Even better, it shows that even UK citizens rank Macron and Merkel higher than they rate Johnson. Priceless!

It could be that the opinion poll data is beginning to evoke the old Joni Mitchell line - 'you don't know what you've got till it's gone'. What a crying bloody shame that it's taken this long for the penny (or Euro) to drop.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...u-population-feel-good-about-bloc-study-finds

There hasn't been a majority for Brexit since late 2016

I don't think at some point we will will rejoin, we have a younger more educated class emerging and older folk with narrow views are disappearing. It won't happen this decade but in time we will have a closer relationship with Europe again

 

[A1X]

There hasn't been a majority for Brexit since late 2016

I don't think at some point we will will rejoin, we have a younger more educated class emerging and older folk with narrow views are disappearing. It won't happen this decade but in time we will have a closer relationship with Europe again

I can see a scenario whereby applying to join EFTA is on the table by the 2029 election. It wouldn't be the full EU but would be very close to.

 

[WATFORD zero]

There hasn't been a majority for Brexit since late 2016

I don't think at some point we will will rejoin, we have a younger more educated class emerging and older folk with narrow views are disappearing. It won't happen this decade but in time we will have a closer relationship with Europe again

I do think that a 'no deal' Brexit disaster would probably be on a scale that could well require emergency action including some sort of re-joining, if only temporarily, but I really don't believe that even Johnson is stupid enough to go for that.

I still think it will either be a U-turn on the Irish Sea Border, abandonment of the Internal Market Bill, and a U-turn on the Level playing field. Or some sort of extension that's not called an extension but is, to all extent and purposes, just kicking it back into the long grass again.

Interesting that it appears it wasn't only the Remainers on here who predicted exactly how this would pan out. It seems that our Chief Brexit Negotiator David Frost predicted exactly the same before he was appointed and had to keep to the party line

UK’s Brexit negotiator predicted Brussels would have upper hand

David Frost wrote in 2016 that Britain would be the one having to blink to secure EU trade deal. But in what now seem prescient remarks, Lord Frost said that while the EU and countries around the world would want trade deals with Britain, they would have the upper hand and would run down the clock.

“After leaving, the UK will have to renegotiate trading arrangements simultaneously with many major countries, including the EU, in a two-year window,” he wrote. “There may not be goodwill,” he said, adding that it would be “Britain that has to make concessions to get the deal”. He continued: “True, other countries will want deals too, but they won’t be under anything like the same time pressure and can afford to make us sweat.”

https://www.ft.com/content/c75895ee-e3ee-4aa5-a8fe-a2604f26aa69

 

[nicko31]

I do think that a 'no deal' Brexit disaster would probably be on a scale that could well require emergency action including some sort of re-joining, if only temporarily, but I really don't believe that even Johnson is stupid enough to go for that.

I still think it will either be a U-turn on the Irish Sea Border, abandonment of the Internal Market Bill, and a U-turn on the Level playing field. Or some sort of extension that's not called an extension but is, to all extent and purposes, just kicking it back into the long grass again.

Interesting that it appears it wasn't only the Remainers on here who predicted exactly how this would pan out. It seems that our Chief Brexit Negotiator David Frost predicted exactly the same before he was appointed and had to keep to the party line

UK’s Brexit negotiator predicted Brussels would have upper hand

David Frost wrote in 2016 that Britain would be the one having to blink to secure EU trade deal. But in what now seem prescient remarks, Lord Frost said that while the EU and countries around the world would want trade deals with Britain, they would have the upper hand and would run down the clock.

“After leaving, the UK will have to renegotiate trading arrangements simultaneously with many major countries, including the EU, in a two-year window,” he wrote. “There may not be goodwill,” he said, adding that it would be “Britain that has to make concessions to get the deal”. He continued: “True, other countries will want deals too, but they won’t be under anything like the same time pressure and can afford to make us sweat.”

https://www.ft.com/content/c75895ee-e3ee-4aa5-a8fe-a2604f26aa69

Even in the middle of a global pandemic surely we hold all the cards?

 

[daveinprague]

Even in the middle of a global pandemic surely we hold all the cards?

The world needs us, more than we need them.

 

[nicko31]

The world needs us, more than we need them.

History will judge this moment well, self imposed agony on a nation in the middle of a covid winter. For the Tories Brexit has become a cult project, it worth it at any cost

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

This is well worth a look. It conveys the satisfaction with the EU across (selected) EU countries, including the UK.

Even better, it shows that even UK citizens rank Macron and Merkel higher than they rate Johnson. Priceless!

It could be that the opinion poll data is beginning to evoke the old Joni Mitchell line - 'you don't know what you've got till it's gone'. What a crying bloody shame that it's taken this long for the penny (or Euro) to drop.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...u-population-feel-good-about-bloc-study-finds

The Guardian ,priceless !
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

History will judge this moment well, self imposed agony on a nation in the middle of a covid winter. For the Tories Brexit has become a cult project, it worth it at any cost

80 seat majority built on getting Brexit done ,wakey wakey !
Regards
DF

 

[Randy McNob]

It could be that the opinion poll data is beginning to evoke the old Joni Mitchell line - 'you don't know what you've got till it's gone'. What a crying bloody shame that it's taken this long for the penny (or Euro) to drop.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...u-population-feel-good-about-bloc-study-finds

They paved paradise and put up a lorry park

 

[sparkie]

D'oh !

https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1328970989137506305?s=19

 

[Baldseagull]

Even in the middle of a global pandemic surely we hold all the cards?

Pack full of jokers.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Pack full of jokers.

2 x 6s and 3 x 8s?

 

[A1X]

The British government's first disaster of 2021? A food shortage

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-shortage-uk-fresh-europe-ports-storage-space

I asked the business department whether the UK holds strategic oil reserves. Yes: the UK keeps stocks equivalent to 90 days of net imports. I asked the environment department whether the UK holds strategic food reserves. No: they aren’t necessary, because “the UK has a highly resilient food supply chain”. The government treats oil as a strategic asset but food as a matter for the market.

In October, the chair of Tesco warned of fresh food shortages for “a few weeks, possibly a few months” after 1 January. The UK imports 62% of its fresh food, much of it from Europe. We rely on European trade for most of our onions, mushrooms, tomatoes and salad, and for a critical portion of many other vegetables and fruits. In the dead of winter, with trucks stuck at the border, possible tariffs, a weaker pound and no warehouse space, the price of fresh produce could go through the roof. If you can find it at all.

Because we are leaving the single market and the customs union, the disruption is likely to be brutal, whether or not a deal is struck. If Brexit causes further economic rupture, the shops are half-empty and even the foodbanks can’t find enough supplies, there is a real prospect of chronic hunger. But search as you may, you will find no one in government who gives a damn.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

The British government's first disaster of 2021? A food shortage

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-shortage-uk-fresh-europe-ports-storage-space

Comedy gold some people are so gullible
Regards
DF

 

[Is it PotG?]

The British government's first disaster of 2021? A food shortage

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-shortage-uk-fresh-europe-ports-storage-space

Does anyone take anything seriously from that comic?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Does anyone take anything seriously from that comic?

I bet you can't guess who was posting on here yesterday. Unfortunately you were logged off at the time

 

[Is it PotG?]

I bet you can't guess who was posting on here yesterday. Unfortunately you were logged off at the time

What?