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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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"We knew what we were voting for" update
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Uncle Spielberg
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The thing is that if you look at the poll above there are a lot of posters who are still active all over the rest of the Board but never express an opinion here. I'd be genuinely interested in their view of how it's going and what we now need to do to meet their expectations when they voted for Brexit ?
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Sorry, I'm not picking on you, but yours are just a few names at random who voted leave on the poll. And that I recognise as being regular posters who post sensible stuff elsewhere (that I agree with) and I don't think I've fallen out with
The economic disaster that will go on for decades after Covid 19 makes Brexit and it's consequences, good or bad a very small side show now
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,767
Hope you're well US
I agree the impact is going to be smaller than Covid, (I disagree about the small sideshow, I still think it will be significant on top of Covid) but the question was whether it looks like you will get what you expected when you voted for Brexit, and if not, what would need to change ?
nicko31
Well-known member
I think the very small argument is the one the government hope will wash. With the worst economic contraction in the developed world an export lead recovery would help a lot. Instead we have self imposed trade sanctions, Johnson's leveling up agenda is in tatters...
Uncle Spielberg
Well-known member
Hope you're well US
I agree the impact is going to be smaller than Covid, (I disagree about the small sideshow, I still think it will be significant on top of Covid) but the question was whether it looks like you will get what you expected when you voted for Brexit, and if not, what would need to change ?
No, I wanted a deal but I blame both parties on that
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,767
But you do see why the EU may have a problem with giving the UK, a significant economy based in Europe, tariff free access to all their huge markets with no control to stop our companies undercutting their companies by changing 'our' rules on Government subsidies, Animal welfare, Safety, Worker welfare, additives, preservatives etc etc ?
Or in Ireland/NI having no border between their 'Single Market' and an independent country allowing us to ship in whatever we want, regardless of tariffs, rules, regulations etc ?
It seems that the major sticking points today are the exact same as they have been since day 1.
But I'll leave it there, stay safe
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nicko31
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But you do see why the EU may have a problem with giving the UK, a significant economy, based in Europe, tariff free access to all their huge markets with no control to stop our companies undercutting their companies by changing 'our' rules on Government subsidies, Animal welfare, Safety, Worker welfare, additives, preservatives etc etc ?
Or having no border between their 'Single Market' and an independent country allowing them to ship in whatever they want, regardless of tariffs, rules, regulations etc ?
It seems that the major sticking points today are the exact same as they have been since day 1.
But I'll leave it there, stay safe
Didn't someone say we could have our cake and eat it. If a member decides to go rogue and have no part of the SM or CU it would always be a thin deal at best
Could you imagine how Little Englanders would be reacting from there had been a Frexit and they were making the same demands as the UK has been making?
daveinprague
New member
Yes, they would be losing their minds, whilst slagging off French nationality.
Pinkie Brown
Wir Sind das Volk
An industry that spent years lobbying against the EU and CFP have twigged that without unfettered access to the single market, they're screwed. If only somebody had warned them, the trilogy continued. The letter to George Eustace is priceless. Those in peril on the sea can own it.
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Randy McNob
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- Jun 13, 2020
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Well we do our best to point out these charlatan politicians use the cloak of patrotism to cover their dishonest intentions, and their loyalty is being abused to help wealthy tax avoiders and allow the Russians to infultrate British democracy.
Those who really care about the country and believe in remain are true patriots because we reject lies and the liars and do not want our country destroyed by self serving Traitors
nicko31
Well-known member
We certainly have learnt in the past 4 years the difference between a nationalism and a patriotism. The former is turning out to be incredibly self destructive
It was a great idea for understanding 'Leave' reasons and current standpoints whether changed or steadfast [MENTION=232]Simster[/MENTION], shame some of us on the other side of the argument could'nt let the thread be used for its purpose rather than raising remain points of view !! Sometimes I despair, sad that it's just lumped into this thread now where it will disappear. Just hope when it's all over we can pull together and are not too damaged by the changes.
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I'm afraid that the moderators gave up moderating anything with the word Brexit in it and just shove it all in here, long ago. I genuinely believe that moderated properly with a few thread bans for half a dozen posters (from both sides) and proper grown up debate could continue.
It's been tried many times, by many people, but each time the normal idiots start, somebody responds and of it all goes again.
My latest attempt https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?383715-What-do-we-do-about-Ireland-NI-Tariff-Free-deal-and-Fishing
I made it clear in the first post that these issues would effect both remainers and leavers and that both were struggling with coming up with a solution. I even tried to get people to ignore the idiots, but I think we will all be stunned if it doesn't go the exact same way.
If you simply took out one fishing poster from that thread with the oh so predictable responses, it would read as a perfectly sensible discussion
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Cheers. I knew the thread would be derailed and soon as the 4 (by my count) remainers with the misplaced sense of superiority turned up, along with sneering, gloating cretins like PPF. Too much to ask for these people to respect the spirit and intentions that were intended. Thanks to all those people whose posts ensured that thread got merged into this Brexit dustbin thread. Give yourselves a big clap.
I can't even look at this thread anymore. It's an embarrassment.
Randy McNob
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- Jun 13, 2020
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who has watched Brexit the movie?
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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Plooks and WATFORD zero were both near the top of the post count on a thread for Leave voters to express their views (before it was merged) .... says it all. Usual suspects as the OP acknowledges ... and both apparently too stupid to realise they are the problem
Plooks and WATFORD zero were both near the top of the post count on a thread for Leave voters to express their views (before it was merged) .... says it all. Usual suspects as the OP acknowledges ... and both apparently too stupid to realise they are the problem
Agree, as already stated. It was also a shame the voting on the poll was not public as this would have ensured there was no mischief making which may have skewed the outcome ?
I must also say that the 'hijacking' works on both sides. as [MENTION=396]WATFORD zero[/MENTION] 's sincere thread on how we as a nation can overcome the difficulties thrown up by our leaving was also ruined. !!!!!!!!!!!
I'm afraid that the moderators gave up moderating anything with the word Brexit in it and just shove it all in here, long ago. I genuinely believe that moderated properly with a few thread bans for half a dozen posters (from both sides) and proper grown up debate could continue.
It's been tried many times, by many people, but each time the normal idiots start, somebody responds and of it all goes again.
My latest attempt https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?383715-What-do-we-do-about-Ireland-NI-Tariff-Free-deal-and-Fishing
I made it clear in the first post that these issues would effect both remainers and leavers and that both were struggling with coming up with a solution. I even tried to get people to ignore the idiots, but I think we will all be stunned if it doesn't go the exact same way.
If you simply took out one fishing poster from that thread with the oh so predictable responses, it would read as a perfectly sensible discussion
Completely agree WZ see post #16 on said thread.