[Politics] Brexit

[WATFORD zero]

There is no holy grail, leaving or remaining. The EU is in a huge mess and so are we. Everyone should be in this shit together but they aren't. The larger institutions, corporations, multi-nationals, much of the public sector and many, many largely office based businesses have decided that they are going to stay at home, at least until some point in the New Year. F--k the SME's who depend on the office workers to support their businesses. Coffee shops, pubs, sandwich bars, ctn's, taxi drivers, hotels and numerous other outlets. Their selfishness is helping to close down many businesses amongst the most important sector in the UK. The wealth generating and highest employing sector. I'm alright Jack. I'm getting paid for doing very little, save for logging on every morning. Everyone thinks I am working from home but..........and as our economy goes to the dogs there are idiots on here arguing about a trade deal with Japan. FFS....try and lift the shackles of Brexit/Remain that bind you to this thread every waking hour and concentrate on what is going on right now. The difference between being in or out of the EU is but a minor bump in the road compared to the cliff edge we are standing on.

I believe that Brexit won't have as bigger impact as Covid (certainly in the short term) but it certainly won't be a small bump. I suspect though for a lot of SMEs suffering from the impact of Covid, it may well be the final push that sends them over the edge and out of business. And as you take great delight in continually telling everyone, they are the lifeblood of this country.

But at the end of the day, as you have told everyone numerous times, Brexit and Johnson is exactly what you wanted and voted for. And it's now what you have got

 

[birthofanorange]

Whack him on " Ignore " , people can change and realise they have made some bad choices, Das Reich is one that you have to give up on. He can't help himself/herself, "It" has to take a contradictory position on principle. Don't engage, thats the only fuel it gets.

I've never put anyone on "ignore" before, but I think I've reached the point where I have to. He's a complete waste of space (and bandwidth) and, as you say, is deliberately contrary, just 'because'.

I won't be missing anything, that's for sure.

 

[Is it PotG?]

I'm guessing he's never eaten in, or seen a menu, from a Japanese restaurant

You guessed, I'm streak/kidney pie and chips only.

 

[Randy McNob]

There is no holy grail, leaving or remaining. The EU is in a huge mess and so are we. Everyone should be in this shit together but they aren't. The larger institutions, corporations, multi-nationals, much of the public sector and many, many largely office based businesses have decided that they are going to stay at home, at least until some point in the New Year. F--k the SME's who depend on the office workers to support their businesses. Coffee shops, pubs, sandwich bars, ctn's, taxi drivers, hotels and numerous other outlets. Their selfishness is helping to close down many businesses amongst the most important sector in the UK. The wealth generating and highest employing sector. I'm alright Jack. I'm getting paid for doing very little, save for logging on every morning. Everyone thinks I am working from home but..........and as our economy goes to the dogs there are idiots on here arguing about a trade deal with Japan. FFS....try and lift the shackles of Brexit/Remain that bind you to this thread every waking hour and concentrate on what is going on right now. The difference between being in or out of the EU is but a minor bump in the road compared to the cliff edge we are standing on.

I think we were already on the verge of major change in the way we work with AI, modern living and technology replacing the regular 9-5, Covid just pushed it over the edge, I think it will never go back to how it was. Maybe employment contracts will adapt? No physical place of working or set working hours with a specific salary, replaced by performance related pay?

 

[DataPoint]

And not just the Americans, every country which still regards itself as adhering to the international rules-based system. So basically pretty soon it'll be us hanging out with Somalia and North Korea.

Or perhaps countries could understand that niceties may need to be suspended in order to effect a jail break!

 

[A1X]

Or perhaps countries could understand that niceties may need to be suspended in order to effect a jail break!

More likely that countries would regard such a comparison as fatuous to the point of embarrassing.

 

[Randy McNob]

Brexiters argue no deals better than a bad deal

but argue in terms of new trade deals: any deals better than no deal

So the idea is not have a deal with our biggest trading partner but have deals with everyone else. Lets go WTO (just with the EU)

go figure

 

[birthofanorange]

Brexiters argue no deals better than a bad deal

but argue in terms of new trade deals: any deals better than no deal

So the idea is not have a deal with our biggest trading partner but have deals with everyone else. Lets go WTO (just with the EU)

go figure

You just know that will make perfect sense to them.

 

[DataPoint]

More likely that countries would regard such a comparison as fatuous to the point of embarrassing.

You're not a country though you do sound a bit like one!

You're engaging your prejudice not your brain. How many leaders in the future would refrain from signing a lucrative trade deal with one of the worlds leading economies because of their unfortunate spat with the EU some time ago?

 

[A1X]

How many leaders in the future would refrain from signing a lucrative trade deal with one of the worlds leading economies because of their unfortunate spat with the EU some time ago?

None unless all the people responsible for the UK reneging on it's own treaty obligations were long gone from Government. So none for at least another 4 years.

The international community works on a framework of rules to keep countries in check. Countries which go against that and try and break their obligations tend not to do very well in the long term, never mind the short term.

This isn't The Great Escape. Boris Johnson isn't going to jump the fence on a motorbike. This is proper, grown up politics.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

And not just the Americans, every country which still regards itself as adhering to the international rules-based system. So basically pretty soon it'll be us hanging out with Somalia and North Korea.

We are very close to becoming an internationally lawless rogue state.

Perhaps one day we'll get our decent country back.

 

[Lever]

We are very close to becoming an internationally lawless rogue state.

Perhaps one day we'll get our decent country back.

Not any time soon I fear......

 

[daveinplzen]

You're not a country though you do sound a bit like one!

You're engaging your prejudice not your brain. How many leaders in the future would refrain from signing a lucrative trade deal with one of the worlds leading economies because of their unfortunate spat with the EU some time ago?

A State that does not abide by Intl agreements? They will be queuing up for sure.

 

[DataPoint]

None unless all the people responsible for the UK reneging on it's own treaty obligations were long gone from Government. So none for at least another 4 years.

The international community works on a framework of rules to keep countries in check. Countries which go against that and try and break their obligations tend not to do very well in the long term, never mind the short term.

This isn't The Great Escape. Boris Johnson isn't going to jump the fence on a motorbike. This is proper, grown up politics.

So that's why Japan pulled out of the agreement with the UK today!

Forget Steve McQueen. Leaving the EU is more like the Shawshank escape route.

It's so depressing trying to have intelligent debate when half the country is inflicted with Cummings disease.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

So that's why Japan pulled out of the agreement with the UK today!

Forget Steve McQueen. Leaving the EU is more like the Shawshank escape route.

It's so depressing trying to have intelligent debate when half the country is inflicted with Cummings disease.

We haven't broken the law.... yet. Still time for the lawless mob in charge to see sense.

 

[pastafarian]

considering you highlighted
"Um, we had the oven ready deal, its been and gone. It was the Withdrawal Agreement.
Bloody delicious it was"

Um, we had the oven ready deal, its been and gone. It was the Withdrawal Agreement.
Bloody delicious it was.

and laughingly come back with
"you can't have escaped the fact that that by your own definition he's just vomited it back up all over you"

Even in your strange little porn and puff world, where things Johnson says have entirely different meanings to the words he uses, you can't have escaped the fact that that by your own definition he's just vomited it back up all over you

You cant escape the fact that despite you previously refusing to accept that the “oven ready” deal referred to the withdrawal deal (The Withdrawal Agreement) you have now, by this post, accidentally just acknowledged that the “oven ready” deal was the withdrawal deal (The Withdrawal Agreement) all along.

Next level idiot status achieved……..…..congratulations.

 

[Randy McNob]

considering you highlighted
"Um, we had the oven ready deal, its been and gone. It was the Withdrawal Agreement.
Bloody delicious it was"




and laughingly come back with
"you can't have escaped the fact that that by your own definition he's just vomited it back up all over you"



You cant escape the fact that despite you previously refusing to accept that the “oven ready” deal referred to the withdrawal deal (The Withdrawal Agreement) you have now, by this post, accidentally just acknowledged that the “oven ready” deal was the withdrawal deal (The Withdrawal Agreement) all along.

Next level idiot status achieved……..…..congratulations.

I think we're all idiots for voting in Bozo and UKiP

 

[pastafarian]

I think we're all idiots for voting in Bozo and UKiP

Quite stunning and brave of you to include the word “think” into that sentence
Hats off to you

 

[clapham_gull]

I'm alright Jack. I'm getting paid for doing very little, save for logging on every morning. Everyone thinks I am working from home but..........

Oh do shut up. Without the commute, most the people I know are now working longer hours.

 

[WATFORD zero]

considering you highlighted
"Um, we had the oven ready deal, its been and gone. It was the Withdrawal Agreement.
Bloody delicious it was"




and laughingly come back with
"you can't have escaped the fact that that by your own definition he's just vomited it back up all over you"



You cant escape the fact that despite you previously refusing to accept that the “oven ready” deal referred to the withdrawal deal (The Withdrawal Agreement) you have now, by this post, accidentally just acknowledged that the “oven ready” deal was the withdrawal deal (The Withdrawal Agreement) all along.

Next level idiot status achieved……..…..congratulations.