[Politics] Brexit

[Diego Napier]

Totally agree with opening poster. That's why I voted leave. I have had 40 years of gradually giving up more and more of our country and I wanted it back. We should make our own laws, chose what we want to do not be governed by Brussels. That's it in a nutshell.

Which parts of our country have we been gradually giving up over the last 40 years?

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

You little Englanders will have to answer for the mess this country is going to be in for the foreseeable future - that you are STILL harking back to WW2 70 years later shows you are stuck in the past where a majority of us were looking to the future. The youth of today will not forgive what you fools have done

remember 15 million (vast minority) voted remain...I admit 17 million leave is hardly a majority but why so little support for remain is the real question

 

[Guy Fawkes]

… or was the bar set too low to account for a rounding error?

Would we get the same result in another referendum held just next Thursday?

Should the requirement to change the status quo have been greater- 55%, 60% or whatever?

Is this mandate to quit the EU with all the incredible implications really valid?

If either UK political party won the election and had a majority of just 1 or 2 MP's and not 5% or 10% more than the other parties, ousting the previous Government, would you be calling for a new election? Would you be questioning if it's enough to force the old party out of power? Would the voters will be questioned and people wondering if the result should be valid.

The result we have is the result we have, the people have spoken through the ballot box and whether you agree with it or not, it's what we as a country have chosen

 

[lawros left foot]

Just remember that there are still many of the population around who were conned in to voting this country into the EU in the first place. It was a vote to enter a common market with no mention of sovereignty or law making.being handed over to this beaurocratic dictatorship.
Just remember there are many still alive who lost relatives in the war. Many of those killed were just teenagers . my great aunt lost both her young sons.,Tthese men and boys. British, Irish, Polish, Indian, Canadians and French resistance thought they were fighting to save sovereignty and democracy and it was appaling that what they died for was for nothing as power was just handed over anyway.
So maybe you should be disgusted and ashamed - with yourselves.

You remind me of one of those mad Japanese soldiers that kept fighting WW2 up until the 1970s

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Democracy is a wonderful thing until it works against what you wanted. The remainers are venting their fury by reverting to an elitist viewpoint.

To be fair, we would be doing the same if the vote had gone the other way albeit with "less" commas and full stops.��

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Actually, for all of my disgust at the lies of the leave campaign, the racist nature of many leave voters, of the ignorance of the majority to most of the issues (despite having so much time to go and do just a little research on the internet into the actual issues being discussed), as well as my annoyance that the older generations have voted for a future that their children and grandchildren simply don't want, the one thing most people can agree on is that this is the first time we've had a truly democratic decision in this country in a very long time. I want more of that. I want a change to our political system so that everyone's vote counts. There may be more immediate turmoil as a result of that, with fascism winning in the short term, but long term the benefits are likely to be more transparency, a harder working MP force and less apathy from voters. That can only be a good thing for this country.

 

[El Presidente]

Less car manufactures less steal works less factories less industry was my reasoning

Fair enough.

Nothing to do with the EU then.

 

[Hampster Gull]

As ever, the truth is complex.

The European Commission has no interest in renegotiating. Their self interest is now best served by attempting to make an example of us to prevent further dissident nations getting the same idea. This is why Juncker is behaving like a jilted lover (which, in a way, he is) and insisting on immediate withdrawal discussions. He can go whistle in this regard. The process for departure was set out in one of his precious treaties and it is for us to decide when to hit the Article 50 button.

However, what is in the best interests of the European Commission is not necessarily what is best for the various nation states. Merkel has taken a far more ameliorative tone and it is interesting to note that the German equivalent of the CBI has already stated that it does not wish to see tariffs raised between the two countries. We are one of their best markets and they can ill afford to obstruct potential business.

What it seems we may have is a conflict between what is best for the European Commission and some of its member states. It would be fascinating to watch this power play unfold if we weren't slap bang in the middle of it all. In this instance it is probably best for us if business interests win out and the commission is told to wind its neck in a little. If that proves to be the case then there could well be some sort of accommodation or renegotiation. I still would not be surprised to see some sort of deal requiring a further referendum in 12-18 months time. I don't think it is highly likely but it's more than just a fanciful notion.

Good post. Lots of water to flow before this anything becomes certain. Fair chance we never leave, but with a changed relationship

 

[Seagull58]

I, too, was one that voted for us to enter the Common Market (or EEC, or EU) all those years ago. Then, it was just that, a market place for like minded countries. Had I known that it would spawn into the Frankenstein monster of bureaucratic intransigence that it is now I may have voted against.

When did the EEC morph into the EU? I remember the vote in 1975, with Heath getting ink thrown in his face by a protester, but the change to the EU and political integration seemed to happen by stealth.

 

[Technohead]

When paired with democracy, a whole lot.

Although to be fair the term "sovereign democracy" has been coined to describe modern Russian politics where there is democratic governance but with a significantly high level of government control.

 

[Bold Seagull]

This referendum should have been fought on:

1. Remain in the EU as we currently are.

2. Leave the EU but have a new trade deal including free movement of EU citizens as we have now.

That is the fact of this referendum.

 

[Beach Hut]

When did the EEC morph into the EU? I remember the vote in 1975, with Heath getting ink thrown in his face by a protester, but the change to the EU and political integration seemed to happen by stealth.

I would suspect around the time of the Euro introduction which was 2000 I think

 

[pb21]

Too many faceplams here, I've just bruised my face reading this.

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_576d37f9e4b0d25711498bb5?edition=uk&yasmj9k9=&

One serious thing though is people who voted on the basis of an extra £350 million pounds a week being spent on the NHS if we left, which has now been stated as a lie and a mistake by the Brexit clowns.

 

[KZNSeagull]

What concerns me more than anything is why a dunce MEP, backing a solution that costs him his job has such an opinion people actually wanted to listen to.

Well a pretty large proportion of the electorate listened to him at the last GE. I was hoping that a sensible debate could have happened re immigration in this referendum but it did not materialise - it was up to those that oppose his view to decisively debunk his views and they failed miserably. Ignoring them in any settlement will just lead to more problems down the line

 

[Hampster Gull]

Would that still have happened without the EU seeing as there are nations armed with nuclear bombs in Europe? Would the Germans have invaded France (a nuclear armed country) for a 3rd time or is the only thing that prevented it is the existence of the EU? - or is this point a bit like selling someone In Brighton a rock / pebble and saying that this rock / pebble is the thing that's preventing a volcano from forming in Sussex?

Yugoslavia had a civil war and ended up splitting into several countries, despite the existence of the EU, pretty sure they are located in Europe. - why wasn't that prevented?

I think you will find it wasn't in the eu, and there hasnt been a war within the eu since its formation.

 

[shaolinpunk]

I want my country back. The one that is part of something bigger. The one that welcomes people with open arms regardless of who they are or where they're from. The one that doesn't isolate itself when times are hard. I want my country back.

 

[swindonseagull]

For each and every loony reason to leave there would have been others with equally loony reasons to stay,
One woman on bbc this morning ( in the studio so not a loon of the street) said we should have a second referendum because not enough people voted and the voters were conned, also mentioned something about older voters wanting to reminisce about glory days!! Maybe she forgot many of the older voters fought wars to save this country

Remain lost its now time to move on and work on our future together.

 

[Ludensian Gull]

… or was the bar set too low to account for a rounding error?

Would we get the same result in another referendum held just next Thursday?

Should the requirement to change the status quo have been greater- 55%, 60% or whatever?

Is this mandate to quit the EU with all the incredible implications really valid?

What would you prefer, best of 3? Get over it.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Fair enough.

Nothing to do with the EU then.

we could go round the merry go round all morning on this so I concede will you wear a colourful frock? I will push

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

You little Englanders will have to answer for the mess this country is going to be in for the foreseeable future - that you are STILL harking back to WW2 70 years later shows you are stuck in the past where a majority of us were looking to the future. The youth of today will not forgive what you fools have done

Should have got more of "your" youth to vote then.

Respect your elders or no xbox for a week.

 

[El Presidente]

will you wear a colourful frock? I will push

Only if you wear the motorcycle cop outfit x