[Politics] Brexit

[GoldWithFalmer]

Serious question to remain

What do you propose we do now to take things forwards I would like to hear you honest unbiased views and whilst I would welcome we are up a creak without a paddle replies , what I am really after is workable solutions.

What is your preferred model Canada Norway or Swiss or New non EU UK?

It's happened and there is no turning back so where do we go from here?

Thank you.

 

[lawros left foot]

The Times interviewed four people in Margate two weeks ago. All wanted to leave. Their reasons were:

1. "I went to Calais the other day. There were 50 fishing boats in the harbour. Margate has got one." (This suggests that the number of fishing boats in your harbour has nothing to do with the EU.)

2. "There are too many muslims in England."

3. (Didn't say anything. Just started singing Land of Hope & Glory).

4. "I don't like Cameron. He's a politician. I want Boris. He's an entertainer-politician."

A High Street shopkeeper in Sussex was telling customers earlier this week that he was voting out because when his dad was in hospital there were too many blacks in the waiting rooms.

The last one can't be true, because it wasn't about racism, you know

 

[Hillian1]

Associate membership

Heard the phrase being used yesterday.

Anyone know what it entails and would the leave voters be happy with this should the EU be open to it?

 

[Wilko]

The Times interviewed four people in Margate two weeks ago. All wanted to leave. Their reasons were:

1. "I went to Calais the other day. There were 50 fishing boats in the harbour. Margate has got one." (This suggests that the number of fishing boats in your harbour has nothing to do with the EU.)

2. "There are too many muslims in England."

3. (Didn't say anything. Just started singing Land of Hope & Glory).

4. "I don't like Cameron. He's a politician. I want Boris. He's an entertainer-politician."

A High Street shopkeeper in Sussex was telling customers earlier this week that he was voting out because when his dad was in hospital there were too many blacks in the waiting rooms.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry reading that.

 

[CliveWalkerWingWizard]

The problem with this referendum and democracy in general is that a large proportion of the population make an intelligent considered judgment. We may not agree with that, but it is based on ideals. But ultimately this referendum and to extent general elections are decided by an easily swayed, less intelligent voter, who picks up on sound bites from the tabloid press and think they are making an intelligent vote. If labour get rid of Cornyn and replace him with Andy Burnham they will have a much better chance of being elected, why ?because he is fairly good looking, that is how shallow it is now.

 

[beorhthelm]

leaving will solve problems in housing and healthcare. im a leaver, but i know full well it wont address these issues.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

There are the folk who voted 'Leave' to give the establishment a kick up the backside.

The problem is that some did it thinking that 'Leave' couldn't actually win.

This is an interesting one. There are millions of people like me who have rarely voted for a winning candidate. When we stand in the booth at a general election most of us in this position have scanned down the list and briefly wondered whether to put a cross against, say, the Liberate Haywards Heath High Street Party as a protest vote. After all, our normal LibDem vote is wasted anyway and it might make the winning Tory think. Perhaps you're right - some people voted Leave as a protest without really realising that EVERY vote counts in a referendum.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

"Banter"

"Didn't think my vote mattered so voted for what ever"

 

[Murray 17]

I remember the times before we were in the EU and want to return those days.

Yes lets go back to rationing outside toilets no central heating no double glazing monochrome tv British troops being sent to fight in Suez Aden Malaysia etc.

They said they wanted that, did they?

 

[jonny.rainbow]

Because there are still many here who lived through the war and because this 'Project' albeit with great stealth was started within a few years of the war ending.. This project wasn't about peace and trade it was about controlling half a billion people and destroying any sense of nationality and culture and mongrolising the ethnic populations . Of course there was also the huge sums of money to be made for the selected corporations.

We must build a kind of United States of Europe. In this way only will hundreds of millions of toilers be able to regain the simple joys and hopes which make life worth living]

Damn you Churchill you duplicitous traitor scum.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Heard the phrase being used yesterday.

Anyone know what it entails and would the leave voters be happy with this should the EU be open to it?

I assume it's a new sort of association with the EU - details to be determined.

Leave voters are in 2 camps ( some in both ). The anti-immigration Farage camp, and the Supremacy of British Law Boris camp.

I suspect 1 camp will be happy and the other camp sad in the end.

 

[El Presidente]

As ever, the truth is complex.

The European Commission has no interest in renegotiating. Their self interest is now best served by attempting to make an example of us to prevent further dissident nations getting the same idea. This is why Juncker is behaving like a jilted lover (which, in a way, he is) and insisting on immediate withdrawal discussions. He can go whistle in this regard. The process for departure was set out in one of his precious treaties and it is for us to decide when to hit the Article 50 button.

However, what is in the best interests of the European Commission is not necessarily what is best for the various nation states. Merkel has taken a far more ameliorative tone and it is interesting to note that the German equivalent of the CBI has already stated that it does not wish to see tariffs raised between the two countries. We are one of their best markets and they can ill afford to obstruct potential business.

What it seems we may have is a conflict between what is best for the European Commission and some of its member states. It would be fascinating to watch this power play unfold if we weren't slap bang in the middle of it all. In this instance it is probably best for us if business interests win out and the commission is told to wind its neck in a little. If that proves to be the case then there could well be some sort of accommodation or renegotiation. I still would not be surprised to see some sort of deal requiring a further referendum in 12-18 months time. I don't think it is highly likely but it's more than just a fanciful notion.

Fair comment.

I'd expect to see a Swiss style agreement covering free trade, paying into the EU budget and free movement of labour as the final settlement........which doesn't address the issue of migration that caused so many to vote leave.

The Sun in it's triumphalist nonsense has said the economy will be better off.....the person they interviewed is from the London Institute of Banking and Finance, a Russian owned private college that has no degree awarding powers and only exists to relieve gullible foreigners and locals of their cash.

 

[Notters]

**** knows. My position was that we'd be ****ed and I'm not one to change my mind.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

What does sovereignty mean?

It means our elected make the rules in London and not another country....

 

[El Presidente]

No escaping the fact that we leave with less than we started with though.....I am just saying and am not apportioning blame it may sound that way but fact is we leave with less for all number of reason

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by leaving with less than we started!

 

[East Preston Gull]

Remainers on the other hand.

" I like Europe and want to go on holiday there"

" Will the British Grand Prix go to France"

"No more Euro Championships for us, better win this year so we can qualify as winner"

" The channel tunnel is quicker than the ferry. If that goes we are in trouble."



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[Kinky Gerbil]

Because there are still many here who lived through the war and because this 'Project' albeit with great stealth was started within a few years of the war ending.. This project wasn't about peace and trade it was about controlling half a billion people and destroying any sense of nationality and culture and mongrolising the ethnic populations . Of course there was also the huge sums of money to be made for the selected corporations.

One of the reasons it was set up was to to stop Europe ripping it up a third time.

Seems to have worked quite well don't you think?

 

[Dr Q]

This. The guy from Barnsley who actually said he doesn't mind people from Europe coming here but not muslims or people from Syria and Iraq. Astonishing.

I deal with a number of people from Barnsley through my Gundog training and working with the dogs. To a man (and woman) they are the most insular racist people I have ever had the misfortune to meet. If I had a choice of wiping one town off the map in the UK it would be Barnsley (with Burnley in a good second place).

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Mps block it?

 

[Questions]

I can never get a doctors appointment and when I do it's more than likely a Pakistaani one.