[Politics] Brexit

[Dick Head]

Farage started work on Boris last week saying that Johnson " cannot be trusted to deliver Brexit ".... A nice double whammy for our Nige, it puts more pressure on Johnson to deliver and highlights that Farage heads a voting group that will split votes from the Tories in a GE. It also helps keep the Brexit Party membership fees rolling in.... Kerching!

World for Brexit.

Kerching!

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Let's get real for a minute here.

I voted leave. I wasn't exactly what you call an on the fence or swing voter. In fact I was passionately pro leave and very vocal as such trying to persuade people it was the right thing to do.

Firstly, I in no way voted to be worse off. Not even for a second did I vote to be worse off in the short term, full stop.

In fact, as a daily mail reader (at the time) being worse off , even in the short term was dismissed as 'Scare mongering ' or 'project fear' by the leave campaign.

In actual fact, I voted for the easiest deal in human history, one that could be "rapidly" (quote Boris johnson) implemented.

3 years down the line there has been no such thing as the easiest deal in human history. I now know this doesn't and never did exist.

In actual fact, I voted to avoid an "ever closer union". This hasn't happened. And in hindsight, I recognise we had Veto powers to avoid this. This no longer remains true.

In actual fact, I voted to avoid an EU army. This hasn't happened. In hindsight, I now question why I even thought an EU army is even an issue. Whats so bad about having 27 allies and the most powerful army on the planet? But the exclamation marks and capital letter mail headlines had me thinking this was a disaster.

I actually voted to avoid 70 million Turks turning up on my doorstep. Despite the fact they are are decades away from meeting EU criteria to join the bloc.

One of the reasons I voted to stop further risk of immigration was the strain on our public services. This however, was not a lie. But the dirty little secret? The leave campaign convinced me it was because there was too many people coming from the EU. It wasn't that at all . It was and still is a result of poorly funded public services caused by Tory austerity. I was young, I didn't know better.

I actually voted to regain sovereignty. I was 24 at the time. Got to be honest, didn't really even know what sovereignty was, all I know is the daily mail made me think we had to have it, at whatever cost.

Again, hindsight taught me we have a veto for major changes. Hindsight taught me EU laws are a tiny percentage of our laws. And the ones they DID enforce, actually make a lot of sense. But the daily mail told me "How very dare they".

We are now three years down the line. My worst fears havent come true, nor was there any real risk of them happening.

But one fear I didn't expect, was to be poorer and now this looks like a certainty. see most think tank studies. The fact that 40 billion will be wiped off our GDP to save a supposed (absolute lie) £350m per week?

All this caused by what was the actual project fear, the leave campaign.

Three years have changed me. Older, wiser and reading papers that don't have divisive rhetoric.

If I'm so passionately remain, after being so passionately leave, I do wonder just how many swing voters who voted out now live every day with regret, like me.

Democracy is about flexibility and changing opinions based on current affairs. Stop stealing my democracy and let me fix the sh1t I helped create.






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Some journey you've been on there sparky .... supposed Hardcore vocal Brexiteer, Daily Mail Reader to committed defender of Corbyn, Labour supporter (your posts on the 2017 election thread) all within one year and now a born again remainer posting a script straight out of remaniac central ...

 

[theonlymikey]

Good piece on Osbournes Mortgage price claims here.

here. - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3626663/DOMINIC-LAWSON-Spare-views-petulant-Dalek-plunged-Black-Wednesday.html

In it, he picks up that Osborne has told us house prices will fall. And he has now told us mortgages would rise.

Why do people continue to believe their rubbish?

A very real example of the past me dismissing the very real prospect of us being worse off as scare mongering.

well done me.

The people who have adapted their argument, are simply lying that they knew they were going to worse off.

Why would we have thought that when we were told we would strike the easiest deal in human history?

I'm sure everybody has seen the quotes from Mr Elliot, Mr Raab, Mr Johnson and Mr Gove this week showing how they all expected a deal from the EU. Not only expecting a deal, but clambering over themselves because supposedly they rely more on us than we do them.

The expected 4.4% loss in GDP, 500,000+ jobs lost through direct exposure and supply chains job losses compared to the 1-2% GDP loss of the EU begs to differ. That's before we even get into business folding as a result of less consumer spending power. Bravo.

I think it's entirely obvious why leave dony want another referendum.

People like me have woken up, smelt their lies and are angry. Angry we have been used for opportunist disaster capitalism.

Bojo won't even face up to the truth that the Democrats won't even ratify a US/UK trade deal in the event of no deal because there will be a default hard border and we will be breaching the GFA as a result.

Our one and only get out of jail free card (more like a damage limitation card) and he can't even fecking arrange that properly. Jesus t1tty fuchking Christ. give me strength.

Its okay though, we'll be reminiscing about "project fear" as we line up in food banks as Tories fail to support us after the calamity they brought upon us. Oh how we will laugh.

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[theonlymikey]

Some journey you've been on there sparky .... supposed Hardcore vocal Brexiteer, Daily Mail Reader to committed defender of Corbyn, Labour supporter (your posts on the 2017 election thread) all within one year and now a born again remainer posting a script straight out of remaniac central ...

Oh how predictable.

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[JC Footy Genius]

Well done for not digging in deeper, as you can see, many find it easier to just keep on pretending it will come good eventually.

And people say leave voters are gullible ...

 

[JC Footy Genius]

A very real example of the past me dismissing the very real prospect of us being worse off as scare mongering.

well done me.

The people who have adapted their argument, are simply lying that they knew they were going to worse off.

Why would we have thought that when we were told we would strike the easiest deal in human history?

I'm sure everybody has seen the quotes from Mr Elliot, Mr Raab, Mr Johnson and Mr Gove this week showing how they all expected a deal from the EU. Not only expecting a deal, but clambering over themselves because supposedly they rely more on us than we do them.

The expected 4.4% loss in GDP, 500,000+ jobs lost through direct exposure and supply chains job losses compared to the 1-2% GDP loss of the EU begs to differ. That's before we even get into business folding as a result of less consumer spending power. Bravo.

I think it's entirely obvious why leave dony want another referendum.

People like me have woken up, smelt their lies and are angry. Angry we have been used for opportunist disaster capitalism.

Bojo won't even face up to the truth that the Democrats won't even ratify a US/UK trade deal in the event of no deal because there will be a default hard border and we will be breaching the GFA as a result.

Our one and only get out of jail free card (more like a damage limitation card) and he can't even fecking arrange that properly. Jesus t1tty fuchking Christ. give me strength.

Its okay though, we'll be reminiscing about "project fear" as we line up in food banks as Tories fail to support us after the calamity they brought upon us. Oh how we will laugh.

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You're over-egging it now, even your gullible thumb chums might begin to smell a rat .... very amusing though

 

[vegster]

The Government have somehow just found £2.1 Billion in order to boost the UK in the event of a No Deal Brexit. I for one would like to thank all the teachers, NHS staff and government employee's whose enforced pay and funding freezes have financed the spaffing of £2.1 Billion on a situation that was not necessary and indeed, totally avoidable......Either that or there IS a Magic Money Tree after all ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49183324

 

[theonlymikey]

You're over-egging it now, even your gullible thumb chums might begin to smell a rat .... very amusing though [emoji106]

Aww JC Footy Genius. Bless you. You okay hun?

What's the matter, does it not fit your agenda that a now remainer was once a brexiter and has the audacity to hold his hands up and admit he was lied to, and that he made a mistake. Cute.

You've obviously done some digging on me as a poster on this forum. Congratulations on that , well done for doing some actual research. I mean it's a shame you've applied yourself in an attempt to catch me out rather than to establish some legitimate facts about leaving, but still, I appreciate your efforts and aptitude to try and gain some facts. Bravo.

However let me fill in some gaps for you. I joined this forum around the time my beloved Boro, Burnley and yourselves were in a promotion race.

Despite our promotion, I kind of liked you guys , you all (most of you) are really decent posters, and I like your board. so I decided to stick around.

It won't therefore surpise you then to learn, this isn't my primary board. You see, I'm a regular poster on FMTTM and my username is "mikeyyyy". Yes with 4 y's . Not really a particularly thoughtful username you know but I had a lot on that day 10 years ago with all the drinking and uni. You know how it is.

But having a primary board means my outspokeness in favour of brexit can really only be seen on there.

Let's take a look shall we?

20 Feb 2016. I posted a very expletive post about my distaste for anti-brexit stances. see here:

https://fansonline.net/middlesbrough/mb/view.php?id=4761412

July 2016. I open a thread in favour of brexit and take the opinion that jobs moving or being lost is a pack of lies. see here

https://fansonline.net/middlesbrough/mb/view.php?id=4938203

June 2016. I hit back at someone who said funding to certain areas will be cut as this was funded by the EU. See here.

https://fansonline.net/middlesbrough/mb/view.php?id=4927169

As you can see. I was very very pro leave. And actually, looking back at these posts, I'm evidently quite angry. It's wonderful the effect right wing media can have on your emotions. I was about as dismissive as you are now actually.

Now JC. This bits just for you, because you're very dismissive and I can practically smell the spit on your keyboard as you rage type "you aren't mikeyyyy from FMTTM, blah blah blah". So as proof. See heredon't forget to ctrl+f "JC Footy Genius")

https://fansonline.net/middlesbrough/mb/view.php?id=5981591

Having to prove myself to dismissive fwits like you is a chore. But needs must.

Me and my thumb chums are just fine. though.




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[Baldseagull]

And people say leave voters are gullible ...

Says the guy who has faith and belief in BoJo.
If I have been misled, no harm done, if it was honest self description, then he deserves to know he is respected for the mental courage to change his world view, and not seek comfort through continued delusion in the pages of Guido Fawkes and the Daily Mail.

 

[Lever]

Aww JC Footy Genius. Bless you. You okay hun?

What's the matter, does it not fit your agenda that a now remainer was once a brexiter and has the audacity to hold his hands up and admit he was lied to, and that he made a mistake. Cute.

You've obviously done some digging on me as a poster on this forum. Congratulations on that , well done for doing some actual research. I mean it's a shame you've applied yourself in an attempt to catch me out rather than to establish some legitimate facts about leaving, but still, I appreciate your efforts and aptitude to try and gain some facts. Bravo.

However let me fill in some gaps for you. I joined this forum around the time my beloved Boro, Burnley and yourselves were in a promotion race.

Despite our promotion, I kind of liked you guys , you all (most of you) are really decent posters, and I like your board. so I decided to stick around.

It won't therefore surpise you then to learn, this isn't my primary board. You see, I'm a regular poster on FMTTM and my username is "mikeyyyy". Yes with 4 y's . Not really a particularly thoughtful username you know but I had a lot on that day 10 years ago with all the drinking and uni. You know how it is.

But having a primary board means my outspokeness in favour of brexit can really only be seen on there.

Let's take a look shall we?

20 Feb 2016. I posted a very expletive post about my distaste for anti-brexit stances. see here:

https://fansonline.net/middlesbrough/mb/view.php?id=4761412

July 2016. I open a thread in favour of brexit and take the opinion that jobs moving or being lost is a pack of lies. see here

https://fansonline.net/middlesbrough/mb/view.php?id=4938203

June 2016. I hit back at someone who said funding to certain areas will be cut as this was funded by the EU. See here.

https://fansonline.net/middlesbrough/mb/view.php?id=4927169

As you can see. I was very very pro leave. And actually, looking back at these posts, I'm evidently quite angry. It's wonderful the effect right wing media can have on your emotions. I was about as dismissive as you are now actually.

Now JC. This bits just for you, because you're very dismissive and I can practically smell the spit on your keyboard as you rage type "you aren't mikeyyyy from FMTTM, blah blah blah". So as proof. See heredon't forget to ctrl+f "JC Footy Genius")

https://fansonline.net/middlesbrough/mb/view.php?id=5981591

Having to prove myself to dismissive fwits like you is a chore. But needs must.

Me and my thumb chums are just fine. though.




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.... but did none of the Leave voters tell you, it's undemocratic to change your mind, even when you discover how catastrophic the outcome will be to so many!

 

[Deleted member 22389]

10/10 for negativity. How the **** some of you get up in the mornings is beyond me now. The world isn't ending, we are just leaving the EU.

 

[daveinplzen]

10/10 for negativity. How the **** some of you get up in the mornings is beyond me now.

So, what are the positives of a no-deal Brexit?

 

[theonlymikey]

On one hand, changing your mind from brexit to remain is considered "straight out of the remaniac playbook".

But anybody who cares to question leaving now is now branded negative . Is branded defeatist. Is branded a doom mongerer.

The irony? We are only leaving as a result of a negative, doom mongering and defeatist campaign about what leavers think of the EU.

You know what, actually where was this positive attitude and optimism about how easy we had it in the EU?

We all know there's been a psychological pamphlet released on how to handle direct challenge from remainers when confronted with facts and sources to support said facts.

Entitled, How to re-write brexit history:

Rule 1. Under no circumstances admit you were wrong.

Rule 2. Lie and say you did know you'd be worse off.

Rule 3. Whatever the new version of Brexit is likely to be , say you knew this would be the outcome when you vote. For example, I voted for no deal.

Rule 4. Desperately look for comfort in the wording of the referendum question despite the fact Mays deal fulfilled the question. Your ERG heroes and the DUP were clearly not interested in democratically honouring the result then?

Rule 5. if thr above don't work, simply brand anyone who disagrees as negative and ask they should show more optimism. Repeat ad nauseum.

Properly cringe. So transparent.


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[Pretty pink fairy]

So, what are the positives of a no-deal Brexit?

We don't have to bail out the EU, we become independent we become self governing ,we take back control we make all the decisions, we make our own trade deals # Believe in Britain and not in the EU
Regards
DR

 

[theonlymikey]

We don't have to bail out the EU, we become independent we become self governing ,we take back control we make all the decisions, we make our own trade deals # Believe in Britain and not in the EU
Regards
DR

We already independently manage health. education, Security, defence, economic policy & welfare.

Considering they are the staples of society, what is it exactly you'd like the UK to make independent decisions about?


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[Garry Nelson's teacher]

On one hand, changing your mind from brexit to remain is considered "straight out of the remaniac playbook".

But anybody who cares to question leaving now is now branded negative . Is branded defeatist. Is branded a doom mongerer.

The irony? We are only leaving as a result of a negative, doom mongering and defeatist campaign about what leavers think of the EU.

You know what, actually where was this positive attitude and optimism about how easy we had it in the EU?

We all know there's been a psychological pamphlet released on how to handle direct challenge from remainers when confronted with facts and sources to support said facts.

Entitled, How to re-write brexit history:

Rule 1. Under no circumstances admit you were wrong.

Rule 2. Lie and say you did know you'd be worse off.

Rule 3. Whatever the new version of Brexit is likely to be , say you knew this would be the outcome when you vote. For example, I voted for no deal.

Rule 4. Desperately look for comfort in the wording of the referendum question despite the fact Mays deal fulfilled the question. Your ERG heroes and the DUP were clearly not interested in democratically honouring the result then?

Rule 5. if thr above don't work, simply brand anyone who disagrees as negative and ask they should show more optimism. Repeat ad nauseum.

Properly cringe. So transparent.


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Great stuff. Thanks for posting.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

We don't have to bail out the EU, we become independent we become self governing ,we take back control we make all the decisions, we make our own trade deals # Believe in Britain and not in the EU
Regards
DR

Not sure if you've ever realised this, but it is actually possible to believe in both! It's not 1939.

 

[The Clamp]

All very reminiscent of the final episode of Blackadder Goes Forth. Which coincidentally was entitled “Goodbyeeeee”.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

We don't have to bail out the EU, we become independent we become self governing ,we take back control we make all the decisions, we make our own trade deals # Believe in Britain and not in the EU
Regards
DR

Proof right there, as if it was needed, that you have not thought it through in the slightest, you have just switched on your TV and caught a leave MP delivering his/her lies and drivel and you are just copying them word for word.
Thicko.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Estimates that govt spending on Brexit preparation this year alone will be north of £6 billion. Is this really what Brexiteers want to see? It is sheer lunacy.