[Politics] Brexit

[nicko31]

More warnings from Japan with regard to a no deal Brexit

https://theworldnews.net/uk-news/ja...rexit-could-threaten-uk-s-automotive-industry

Tarō Kōno today said that a No Deal exit would have 'very negative' consequences for more than 1,000 Japanese firms operating in the UK.

Meanwhile we are walking away from the new Japan / EU free trade agreement, a biggest on planet earth. It would have been a massive opportunity for us, instead we'll do one of our own one day. Anyone think it will be better?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Because the desire to leave the EU totally over rides anything else in the minds of some.

How does that little saying go again?.............Leave means leave.

I have worked in the NHS for the last 24 years and the only outcomes I see from Brexit is even more burdens being placed upon it followed by accelerated privatisation by our special friends from the good old USA.
Still at least we are taking back control..........


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Thanks, so you're saying our health system will collapse? ,those heath tourists should shoulder some of the blame , what an insult to UK national insurance contributors
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

More warnings from Japan with regard to a no deal Brexit

https://theworldnews.net/uk-news/ja...rexit-could-threaten-uk-s-automotive-industry

Tarō Kōno today said that a No Deal exit would have 'very negative' consequences for more than 1,000 Japanese firms operating in the UK.

Meanwhile we are walking away from the new Japan / EU free trade agreement, a biggest on planet earth. It would have been a massive opportunity for us, instead we'll do one of our own one day. Anyone think it will be better?

Who knows ,do you ?? More warnings ,I'd be a lot more worried if it was the five minute warning
Regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

If we leave with no deal and the huge problems it will cause this country, they will blame everyone else except themselves, mostly Europe, nothing will be there fault.
Comparing leave voters to religious zealots is just about the most accurate comparison I have seen on this thread.
With Johnson looking most likely this has now gone way beyond stupid to extremely worrying.
This country has gone potty.

Yes because the EU wont be affected will it no Deal the ace card in the UK hand

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

If we leave with no deal and the huge problems it will cause this country, they will blame everyone else except themselves, mostly Europe, nothing will be there fault.
Comparing leave voters to religious zealots is just about the most accurate comparison I have seen on this thread.
With Johnson looking most likely this has now gone way beyond stupid to extremely worrying.
This country has gone potty.

Yes because the EU wont be affected will it no Deal the ace card in the UK hand

regards
DR

 

[The Upper Library]

Thanks, so you're saying our health system will collapse? ,those heath tourists should shoulder some of the blame , what an insult to UK national insurance contributors
regards
DR

The burden caused by “health tourists” is a complete red herring. The strain upon the NHS comes mostly from our indigenous ageing and ailing population.
NI contributions do not go directly to the NHS. Just another income source for government who then decide how it is spent


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[The Upper Library]

Yes because the EU wont be affected will it no Deal the ace card in the UK hand

regards
DR

Exactly how is No deal our ace card?

Please say something beyond either “leave means leave” or our great nation can gorge on ahead to past glories.


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[Westdene Seagull]

So: 27 other nations would have to change their agricultural policies because of a little local difficulties for the Tory party in the UK? (How would we - specifically Leavers - have felt if it were say Italy making such demands? Just wondered...…………..)

CAP has been outdated for years - it benefits a minority of members and should have been reformed when the Eastern block joined. I do find ironic how one of the remain arguments has always been "We should stay and reform the EU from within" yet when it's pointed out the EU rejected reform it's "Why would the EU change because of difficulties in the UK" - those views are somewhat at odds with each other !

 

[Westdene Seagull]

NI contributions do not go directly to the NHS. Just another income source for government who then decide how it is spent


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Nor were they ever meant to - they are there to contribute the the NHS but also to your pension later in life ( and in an indirect way some benefits you may receive such as JSA ).

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

The burden caused by “health tourists” is a complete red herring. The strain upon the NHS comes mostly from our indigenous ageing and ailing population.
NI contributions do not go directly to the NHS. Just another income source for government who then decide how it is spent


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Ok, i think there's an element of damage limitation in your reply , is our health system going to collapse?
Regards
DR

 

[nicko31]

So: 27 other nations would have to change their agricultural policies because of a little local difficulties for the Tory party in the UK? (How would we - specifically Leavers - have felt if it were say Italy making such demands? Just wondered...…………..)

At the root of it is some British people (more English) can't bare the thought of 28 nations being equal, exceptionalism resigns and somehow we are superior and should be treated as a special case.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Exactly how is No deal our ace card?

Please say something beyond either “leave means leave” or our great nation can gorge on ahead to past glories.


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Because it's the final option, the moment you take it away you've surrendered your bargaining powers just like Mrs May did, do you remember "No Deal is better than a bad deal "
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DR
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DR

 

[nicko31]

Who knows ,do you ?? More warnings ,I'd be a lot more worried if it was the five minute warning
Regards
DR

Japanese companies already feel betrayed by us and have been forced to act, bye-bye Honda, bye-bye next model Nissan, bye-bye Panasonic HQ, bye-bye Sony HQ.

Face it, the posh boy club cast a spell over you, you got conned and now can't face reality.

 

[The Upper Library]

Ok, i think there's an element of damage limitation in your reply , is our health system going to collapse?
Regards
DR

In a word yes (in its current form). having worked in it for the last 24 years we are on the brink of accelerated privatisation . Our inevitable closer ties with the US will only go to fuel this.

The lie/convenient stretching of the truth about money coming back to the NHS is the one thing that I can never forgive the Leave Campaign for. The NHS is really the last bastion of what makes Britain great (yes it is certainly not perfect) / so when I read that Brexiteers would rather take a hit to the economy than not leave well then I guess what is the point anymore.....


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[nicko31]

Because it's the final option, the moment you take it away you've surrendered your bargaining powers just like Mrs May did, do you remember "No Deal is better than a bad deal "
Regards
DR
regards
DR

Don't forget, they need us more than we need them, yes really turning out that way...

 

[The Upper Library]

Because it's the final option, the moment you take it away you've surrendered your bargaining powers just like Mrs May did, do you remember "No Deal is better than a bad deal "
Regards
DR
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DR

We are back to blind faith again.....


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[ManOfSussex]

Your question was why are the EU partly to blame - it was that I was answering. Cameron went and tried to negociate changes prior to the referendum .... the EU effectively told him to eff off. IMO, if they had agreed to change the outdated CAP and fisheries policy then the referendum would have been in favour of remain. The EU generally doesn't like change - well change of already agreed policies anyway. I wonder how up for stopping the move between their two sites they would be and thus saving taxpayers millions ? Ah, of course not.

What changes did Cameron ask for specifically and not get then?

As for 'if they had agreed to change the outdated CAP and fisheries policy then the referendum would have been in favour of remain' - A burning issue for millions of people - I'm sure that would have made all the difference for a public indoctrinated by immigration headlines. What changes should they have agreed for The UK then? What did Cameron ask for on fishing for example?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

CAP has been outdated for years - it benefits a minority of members and should have been reformed when the Eastern block joined. I do find ironic how one of the remain arguments has always been "We should stay and reform the EU from within" yet when it's pointed out the EU rejected reform it's "Why would the EU change because of difficulties in the UK" - those views are somewhat at odds with each other !

Yet Marie le Pen has done exactly that in France. She's changed her stance from being anti EU to let's reform from within.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The burden caused by “health tourists” is a complete red herring. The strain upon the NHS comes mostly from our indigenous ageing and ailing population.
NI contributions do not go directly to the NHS. Just another income source for government who then decide how it is spent


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Far more money is wasted on missed appointments, than so called health tourists. Anyone who receives treatment and is not entitled to it, is billed. Very few fail to pay up.
EU citizens have reciprocal health treatment agreements.
Foreign students are entitled to free health treatment whilst on their courses because they are paying our universities the full whack for their education.

The press should stick to reporting the wastage in the NHS instead of looking for sensational stories of an odd tourist here and there so their readers can sit and tutt.

 

[nicko31]

Far more money is wasted on missed appointments, than so called health tourists. Anyone who receives treatment and is not entitled to it, is billed. Very few fail to pay up.
EU citizens have reciprocal health treatment agreements.
Foreign students are entitled to free health treatment whilst on their courses because they are paying our universities the full whack for their education.

The press should stick to reporting the wastage in the NHS instead of looking for sensational stories of an odd tourist here and there so their readers can sit and tutt.

Noticed the Mail ran a story on this yesterday, they had to dig up a case from 2010 to prove their point. Most tourists are working in the hospital, not using it...