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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,946
Surrey
I have posted it a number of times, if you want a new referendum following on from the democratic decision to leave,asking how we should leave then ask the binary leaving question.

A/ Leave the EU with the withdrawal agreement
or
B/Leave the EU without a withdrawal agreement

Remainers get to vote as well obviously......Remainers dont want this question asked though.

The problem with this is there will have been people who voted leave who made the assumption that a good deal would have been possible. I could point you to quotes from various leave campaigners who insisted this would be the case. It turns out, the negotiated deal is a shambles and the no-deal scenario is widely regarded as disastrous. If you honestly think leave would have won if they had known that was the choice we were going to be given, I think you have a screw loose.

So for me, either have a second referendum with a remain option, or better still don't have one at all and let the Tories sort it out so that they can be held accountable for the obvious drop off in UK living standards after Brexit.
 


Gwylan

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
31,827
Uffern
She has played a blinder, the talks with Labour have already pulled her party back in line. They are all wanting her to bring her deal back. She will wait 24/48 hours, claim that it’s not going well with Labour and bring her deal back for a 4th time and it will go through.

Can't see this happening. Given that the DUP have said they won't support it and there are hardliners in the ERG who won't, she'll need more Labour votes. Trying to shaft Labour isn't going to encourage more to vote for her deal
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
56,052
Faversham




Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,946
Surrey
Can't see this happening. Given that the DUP have said they won't support it and there are hardliners in the ERG who won't, she'll need more Labour votes. Trying to shaft Labour isn't going to encourage more to vote for her deal

I don't disagree with you but it is amusing to see posh Brexit zealots like JRM now thrashing about with daft quotes about it being a bad idea simply because Corbyn is "a known Marxist". They are obviously sufficiently concerned by this turn of events that they are making stupid comments to the press. In fairness there will be plenty of centre ground Tories happy enough to tie us into EU workers rights in an effort to get a deal over the line. It would be win-win for many of them - respects the referendum result and immediately negates the "race to the bottom" argument that leaves so many people unable to trust Brexit to the Tories at the moment.
 


nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,570
Gods country fortnightly
Totally disagree.
They won't even get their seats back. A rag-bag assortment of comedic, self-centred, attention seeking, low-lights, such as Soubry and Umunna. They have had their 15 minutes in the spotlight. Darkness beckons.

Wouldn't be so complacent. They are taking 10-11% from somewhere and its not off the Lib Dems. The fact is there are a lot of people that don't want Blukip or a Far Left Labour party.

Decent start with Heidi Allen as interim leader, the kind of people the Tories can ill afford to lose if they are ever going to attract young voters and ever get a majority again
 


Hugo Rune

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Feb 23, 2012
23,659
Brighton
Can't see this happening. Given that the DUP have said they won't support it and there are hardliners in the ERG who won't, she'll need more Labour votes. Trying to shaft Labour isn't going to encourage more to vote for her deal

Indeed. She is also likely to actually lose the 5 or so Labour MPs she got last time by doing that. Add that to the DUP and every other party/independents in the house and the maths simply don’t add up, even if she gets most Tories on board.
 




pb21

Well-known member
Apr 23, 2010
6,684
It was Ed Miliband eating a bacon sandwich which caused all this mess.

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nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
18,570
Gods country fortnightly
So you believe that putting a border in Ireland/NI completely destroying the Good Friday Agreement

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-ireland-border/ireland-under-pressure-over-border-plans-for-no-deal-brexit-idUKKCN1Q31VM

Risking the delivery of medical supplies

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-medicine-shortage-nhs-supply-stockpile-germany-a8845646.html

And making 87% of all imports tariff free to the whole world under WTO Most-favoured-nation rules, risking all UK producers in any of those markets

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45112872

is the way to strengthen our negotiating position. And then we can 'quite quickly turn into a trade agreement with the EU'. I think we may have to agree to disagree on that one.

Maybe it's just as well it isn't going to happen ?

Please stop the facts, WE JUST NEED TO BELIEVE MORE
 






Stat Brother

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
73,888
West west west Sussex
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ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
15,167
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
Looks like we've got our first resignation as a result of last night - Nigel Adams from the Office of the Secretary of State for Wales.

Also looks like a major, major ****storm is brewing in regards to Jeremy Corbyn and some video footage of the Parachute Regiment hard at work.
 


nwgull

Well-known member
Jul 25, 2003
14,532
Manchester
Wouldn't be so complacent. They are taking 10-11% from somewhere and its not off the Lib Dems. The fact is there are a lot of people that don't want Blukip or a Far Left Labour party.

Decent start with Heidi Allen as interim leader, the kind of people the Tories can ill afford to lose if they are ever going to attract young voters and ever get a majority again

And she's really fit - PMILF.
 












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