[Politics] Brexit

[vegster]

That's quite a sweeping statement as to why people voted leave ...... and wrong.

Have you found the Sunny Uplands yet ? if not, we can discuss this from the bottom of the cliff in the near future.

 

[Stat Brother]

Gotta love how this threads pitches from one specialised subject to another, Norway's social care, pallets, lamb production of New Zealand and we always have an expert on hand.

 

[vegster]

The same applies to New Zealand wine, which is bloody magnificent btw. According to my cousin in NZ, a bottle of similar Marlborough Sauvignon blanc is £22 equivalent where in the uk, same bottle is £12. As she says..." how does that work"

I'm no wine expert but i'm inclined to think there are several markets for different standards of wine. As an example I think you, like me, are old enough to remember Piat D'Or wine in the supermarkets ? sold as " The French adore....le Piat D'Or"...… well, if you go to France you will find that it pretty much does not exist. I quickly realised that if the French adored Le Piat D'Or they would not have it exclusively for export.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Only 23 days until Dystopia Day unless May pulls away from the *no deal* abyss at the last.

The scriptwriters are cranking up the tension for the season finale now.

Let's hope season 2 doesn't go the Mad Max route.

 

[pb21]

Geninue question - New Zealand lamb is the same cost as British lamb on the supermarket shelves. Yet the New Zealand farmers have had to ship their lamb half way around the world and still clearly make a profit. So what are British lamb farmers doing that so increases their costs that New Zealand farmers don't do ?

Already a few answers and I don't know, but is another that it is easier to farm Lamb in NZ than the UK, both in terms of the geography and/or the climate?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Generally the left complain about the BBC when the BBC show something anti-left and the right compain about the BBC when the BBC show something anti-right. As a floating voter is suggests to me that mainly their coverage is neutral.

I often flip between BBC News 24 and Sky News and I have to say that the BBC is effectively more pro-Brexit than Sky is.

It seems that the BBC is so terrified of being accused of being anti-Brexit by the tabs that it goes the other way. I recall one senior journalist saying that the Beeb's pre-referendum coverage was hampered by this: they would interview some leading economist reflecting the views of 95 per cent of his profession but would then have to spend exactly the same time on some marginal maverick just to maintain a balance.

The other day I listened to a radio vox pop on the subject - it was from some ruined community in south Yorkshire where 85 per cent of the population voted Leave. This allowed the BBC to interview five Leavers and one Remainer and still claim a representative sample. One Leaver, the most soft and considered of them all, was asked if he thought that Brexit would make his community economically better off. He reflected for a while and then replied, simply, "Yes I do." Any self-respecting journalist would have responded with a simple one-word follow-up: "How?" But of course this one didn't.

The BBC doesn't seem to cover Brexit as much as Sky in news bulletins and when they do there's an element of rabbit-in-the-headlights about it. But still the massed ranks of anti-Beeb newspapers and their disciples moan about bias.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I often flip between BBC News 24 and Sky News and I have to say that the BBC is effectively more pro-Brexit than Sky is.

It seems that the BBC is so terrified of being accused of being anti-Brexit by the tabs that it goes the other way. I recall one senior journalist saying that the Beeb's pre-referendum coverage was hampered by this: they would interview some leading economist reflecting the views of 95 per cent of his profession but would then have to spend exactly the same time on some marginal maverick just to maintain a balance.

The other day I listened to a radio vox pop on the subject - it was from some ruined community in south Yorkshire where 85 per cent of the population voted Leave. This allowed the BBC to interview five Leavers and one Remainer and still claim a representative sample. One Leaver, the most soft and considered of them all, was asked if he thought that Brexit would make his community economically better off. He reflected for a while and then replied, simply, "Yes I do." Any self-respecting journalist would have responded with a simple one-word follow-up: "How?" But of course this one didn't.

The BBC doesn't seem to cover Brexit as much as Sky in news bulletins and when they do there's an element of rabbit-in-the-headlights about it. But still the massed ranks of anti-Beeb newspapers and their disciples moan about bias.

How much influence does Tufton Street have on the BBC ?

 

[nicko31]

Generally the left complain about the BBC when the BBC show something anti-left and the right compain about the BBC when the BBC show something anti-right. As a floating voter is suggests to me that mainly their coverage is neutral.

I used to believe that, but its increasingly clear these days that the BBC live in an atmosphere of fear from this government, it started when John Whittingdale was Culture Sec. With Brexit they've really struggled to cover it with much balance and have treated it as a Fait Accompli from the start. They also get have got lured in the danger of false equivalents time and time again in debates, Lord Lawson v The Climate Scientist is one that springs to mind

Never thought I'd say this but for News, Sky and Channel 4 leave them in shade these days. Makes me a bit sad really, as the BBC I have so often associated with the Best of Britain and defended him to the hilt. That say these still have world class output in an ever changing media landscape of big money

 

[portslade seagull]

Gotta love how this threads pitches from one specialised subject to another, Norway's social care, pallets, lamb production of New Zealand and we always have an expert on hand.

Who is normally totally wrong but carries on for dramatic effect and then spends 10 pages defending their inaccuracies

 

[nicko31]

Only 23 days until Dystopia Day unless May pulls away from the *no deal* abyss at the last.

The scriptwriters are cranking up the tension for the season finale now.

Let's hope season 2 doesn't go the Mad Max route.

Mad Max, wasn't that one from DD?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/19/david-davis-brexit-britain-mad-max

 

[clapham_gull]

I often flip between BBC News 24 and Sky News and I have to say that the BBC is effectively more pro-Brexit than Sky is.

It seems that the BBC is so terrified of being accused of being anti-Brexit by the tabs that it goes the other way. I recall one senior journalist saying that the Beeb's pre-referendum coverage was hampered by this: they would interview some leading economist reflecting the views of 95 per cent of his profession but would then have to spend exactly the same time on some marginal maverick just to maintain a balance.

The other day I listened to a radio vox pop on the subject - it was from some ruined community in south Yorkshire where 85 per cent of the population voted Leave. This allowed the BBC to interview five Leavers and one Remainer and still claim a representative sample. One Leaver, the most soft and considered of them all, was asked if he thought that Brexit would make his community economically better off. He reflected for a while and then replied, simply, "Yes I do." Any self-respecting journalist would have responded with a simple one-word follow-up: "How?" But of course this one didn't.

The BBC doesn't seem to cover Brexit as much as Sky in news bulletins and when they do there's an element of rabbit-in-the-headlights about it. But still the massed ranks of anti-Beeb newspapers and their disciples moan about bias.

You will find the other broadcasters rely on two people with differing views arguing it out, The Papers on Sky for instance.

The problem all these broadcasters have is:

Everyone now has their own view on what "balance" is, which is usually their own "unbalanced" view. You will find as many people thinking the news is pro-brexit than not. That's gonna get worse as the broadcasters re-act to being criticised for supporting remain. It's a myth that broadcasters are simply employ urban liberal Guardian readers.

People are bombarded with information and links on the internet and social media and generally only absorb what they "agree" with. Since Brexit is incredibly complex, it's very seductive and reassuring to read something where the author has come to a "conclusion".

Nobody like reading something where the conclusion is "I don't know".

 

[A1X]

Mad Max, wasn't that one from DD?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/19/david-davis-brexit-britain-mad-max

Presumably it won't be because in the movies things have a tendency for working out alright in the end?

 

[Stat Brother]

Who is normally totally wrong but carries on for dramatic effect and then spends 10 pages defending their inaccuracies

Anything is better than saying 'wow sorry I got that wrong', to a bunch of completely strangers you'll never likely to meet, although have quite possibly once met!

 

[ManOfSussex]

I used to believe that, but its increasingly clear these days that the BBC live in an atmosphere of fear from this government, it started when John Whittingdale was Culture Sec. With Brexit they've really struggled to cover it with much balance and have treated it as a Fait Accompli from the start. They also get have got lured in the danger of false equivalents time and time again in debates, Lord Lawson v The Climate Scientist is one that springs to mind

Never thought I'd say this but for News, Sky and Channel 4 leave them in shade these days. Makes me a bit sad really, as the BBC I have so often associated with the Best of Britain and defended him to the hilt. That say these still have world class output in an ever changing media landscape of big money

With the exception of Newsnight and BBC South East Today, it's Sky News and C4 News for me too these days for TV news.

On the subject of BBC bias and fear of Government away from Brexit, I thought it very noticeable in 2014 during the Scottish Referendum. I could understand The SNP's gripes on that.

You even had weather presenters suddenly referring to 'Northern Britain' and the 'North of The UK' instead of the 'North and Scotland'

 

[Baker lite]

Stocks of produce are already running low in supermarkets.

Bollox.
Was in Tesco West Durrington this morning and the shelves were heaving with produce.Another blow for project Tena lady.
Just you keep on prepping.







On our way.


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[Thunder Bolt]

I used to believe that, but its increasingly clear these days that the BBC live in an atmosphere of fear from this government, it started when John Whittingdale was Culture Sec. With Brexit they've really struggled to cover it with much balance and have treated it as a Fait Accompli from the start. They also get have got lured in the danger of false equivalents time and time again in debates, Lord Lawson v The Climate Scientist is one that springs to mind

Never thought I'd say this but for News, Sky and Channel 4 leave them in shade these days. Makes me a bit sad really, as the BBC I have so often associated with the Best of Britain and defended him to the hilt. That say these still have world class output in an ever changing media landscape of big money

You've only got to contrast how many times Farage has been interviewed for the BBC (not a British MP) compared to Caroline Lucas who is an MP.

Channel 4 are ploughing ahead, especially now they seem to be picking up on Aaron Banks.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

No surprise that many of the remainiac regulars on here think the Beeb is biased towards Brexit ... people at the partisan extremes of an argument often see bias in anything that challenges their world view.

According to a YouGov poll on this topic from last year more, Remainers think the Beeb is anti-Brexit than pro-Brexit while the vast majority either think it balanced or don't know.

Meanwhile, analysis of three of the BBC's flagship news panel shows found an overwhelming majority of Remain panellists (over 70%).

 

[The Clamp]

Bollox.
Was in Tesco West Durrington this morning and the shelves were heaving with produce.Another blow for project Tena lady.
Just you keep on prepping.







On our way.


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You are a very aggressive man and I suspect you are deeply unhappy in life. Seriously, work on your anger management . At your time of life walking around with that kind of aggression can kill you.

And it’s rather unpleasant. But it’s no surprise. I don’t know what yiu are like in “real life” but I hope for the sake of those required to spend time in your company that you are not nearly as rude, ignorant and downright foul as you are on here.

Though most of NSC strongly suspects you to be a spoof second account. I hope that’s the case as if you are actually like this your life must be ****ing miserable.

TBYMC
TC

 

[Triggaaar]

You've only got to contrast how many times Farage has been interviewed for the BBC (not a British MP) compared to Caroline Lucas who is an MP.

He was the leader of UKIP, who got 3.8m votes in 2015 (a lot more than the Green Party), and UKIP were the main factor in the Brexit vote (and Brexit is quite big news, if you hadn't noticed), so of course he's interviewed more.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Project shit the bed seems to be up and running thanks to the usual pot noodle brigade.
Dont know how they get out of bed in the morning nowadays without a panic attack.

I think some of them will be secretly disappointed if No deal doesn't happen ... having spent so much of their time talking it up/predicating all their hysteria on that one unlikely scenario.