[Politics] Brexit

[pastafarian]

My word, you really are incredibly stupid.

Stick to *******. We all do that.

Your embarrassing porn stash is way less embarrassing than your attempts at political discourse. [emoji182][emoji182][emoji182]

My my you are an angry little man again.
You are entitled as well to believe, if you chose to, that EU competences given by treaty and directly applicable legislation on member states dont exist.
If you want be an uninformed idiot i cant stop you

 

[Triggaaar]

A different perspective, but again echoing that us holding a no deal scenario holds very little weight over the EU.

I've just read your link and it doesn't say that. It says things like 'the important fact is that key EU leaders think they can take the risk' (ie, it is a risk for them). That risk means they're not in a position to take the piss as much as they could if they knew No Deal wasn't an option.

You seem to think the No Deal is a desperate thing we need to hold on to as leverage in the negotiations

Desperate isn't my choice of words, but I can't see the point in removing the option in return for nothing. It is clearly something the EU are concerned about and clearly something that affects the negotiations. I can't see the point in Corbyn refusing to talk unless the option is removed, it's childish.

 

[btnbelle]

And if there was (there may be one already) a poll opposing a no deal, it would be signed by millions and far more than the 300,000 angry little islanders that have signed that petition. I know that reference probably doesn't include everyone but please, what selfish people actually want a no deal.

I am not angry nor a little islander... I voted Leave and we are leaving the EU, it is just how we do it.... I have posted my views on immigration, not sure if you had a chance to read my previous posts? I want controlled immigration...

The no deal poll would be much higher, if all older people used social media and the internet.

People who want no deal are being realistic... It is either accept a bad deal (one which leave voters would feel betrayed by) or stand firm and go No Deal. No Deal is the best option on the table without the EU compromising further. If they stand firm or we cannot get a Canada +++ (most leave voters first choice, I would guess) then no deal is our best option. In fact as things stand without MP's approval of a deal put forward, we will crash out without a deal. Not so good because of the uncertainty. Although since neither side is ready, I did see a news article which suggested the EU would implement border controls nine months after 29th March 2019.

It is a shame that many on the remain side feel the need to be derogatory towards people who voted leave.

 

[LlcoolJ]

My my you are an angry little man again.
You are entitled as well to believe, if you chose to, that EU competences given by treaty and directly applicable legislation on member states dont exist.
If you want be an uninformed idiot i cant stop you

Firstly, taking the piss out of your stupidity doesn't mean I'm angry.

Secondly, calling me little is more proof of your ignorance. I'd hazard a guess that I'm not in comparison to you. But that's irrelevant, it's a bit of a sad trait of yours though. Silly playground insults.

Thirdly, if I wanted to learn anything about politics, the EU, rice harvesting in China or the best place to buy a new car, the last person I would ask would be you.

So, if not agreeing with your nonsense makes me "an uninformed idiot" in your eyes, I can cope with that.

Go back to your porn you busted flush.

 

[pastafarian]

Firstly, taking the piss out of your stupidity doesn't mean I'm angry.

Secondly, calling me little is more proof of your ignorance. I'd hazard a guess that I'm not in comparison to you. But that's irrelevant, it's a bit of a sad trait of yours though. Silly playground insults.

Thirdly, if I wanted to learn anything about politics, the EU, rice harvesting in China or the best place to buy a new car, the last person I would ask would be you.

So, if not agreeing with your nonsense makes me "an uninformed idiot" in your eyes, I can cope with that.

Go back to your porn you busted flush.

And as I said if you chose to believe that EU competences given by treaty and directly applicable laws on members states from the EU don’t exist and are a load of “nonsense” (or ballocks as another user said) then I cant stop you thinking like that.
Far more insightful people than you have acknowledged their existence and debated the pros and cons of directly applicable legislation from the EU and indeed the pros and cons of EU competences contained in the treaties. Probably best I just leave you to your own little world.

Ps. I can confirm I know little of rice harvesting in China or the best location to buy a new car, although I did make a cracking choice on a specific make and model a couple of years ago that has turned out to be most agreeable.

 

[Mental Lental]

Over 337,000 people have signed a petition asking for no deal.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963

If you want to play that game.....Over 4 MILLION people signed a petition for a 2nd referendum.

https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/131215

 

[pastafarian]

If you want to play that game.....Over 4 MILLION people signed a petition for a 2nd referendum.

https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/131215

I agree
Another referendum must be more than a 60% win based on a turnout of over 75% to overturn the original decision to Leave.
A boycott should work nicely.

 

[BadFish]

I appreciate the irony of the over simplified question on this thread.

It appears to mean that the current shit fight experience you people have endured for the last couple of years can be traced back to a similarly overly simplified question. What you need is some meat on those bones.

 

[melias shoes]

I do. I also remember the time it was proven that the Leave campaign broke electoral rules, and when the Government lost it's majority and still decided it should negotiate alone, and when 16.5m people were ignored, traduced, slandered and branded as "traitors".

Well guess what. We're back.

Yeah right. The remainers were the ones that abused the leave vote from day one and still are. You have a very selective memory. Apparently we're racists,Fascists etc . Usually when you lose something that's it but it seems not in this case. The lies and fear project is still in full swing but now it's more like desperate hysteria. Guess what when you lose you should be ignored. When a parliament votes to implement the result and then backtracks because it didn't get the result it wants that is an absolute disgrace. As for the labour party and corbyn all he/they are interested in is using this to power grab and gain control of the country. They aren't going to back anything that is put to them that is shameful when you consider that corbyn has always been wanting out.

 

[melias shoes]

No, I don't think 100,000 difference in tens of millions of voters would be a big enough majority for Brexit to be put to bed.

Good for you.

 

[Chicken Run]

Ha ha. Offer is only to insensitive smug types and you tick neither box I’m afraid. But, if you should ever find yourself in these parts I’ll certainly look after you and take you out on the town!

[emoji106]

 

[pastafarian]

I also remember the time it was proven that the Leave campaign broke electoral rules, .

Out of interest do you also remember the time it was proven the official Remain campaign and also the Liberal Democrats broke electoral rules with regard to referendum spending and were subsequently fined by the electoral commission for doing so. Or is your memory selective

https://www.electoralcommission.org...18,000-for-breaches-of-campaign-finance-rules

 

[Notters]

I am not angry nor a little islander... I voted Leave and we are leaving the EU, it is just how we do it.... I have posted my views on immigration, not sure if you had a chance to read my previous posts? I want controlled immigration...

The no deal poll would be much higher, if all older people used social media and the internet.

People who want no deal are being realistic... It is either accept a bad deal (one which leave voters would feel betrayed by) or stand firm and go No Deal. No Deal is the best option on the table without the EU compromising further. If they stand firm or we cannot get a Canada +++ (most leave voters first choice, I would guess) then no deal is our best option. In fact as things stand without MP's approval of a deal put forward, we will crash out without a deal. Not so good because of the uncertainty. Although since neither side is ready, I did see a news article which suggested the EU would implement border controls nine months after 29th March 2019.

It is a shame that many on the remain side feel the need to be derogatory towards people who voted leave.

I present my case for a second referendum mlud.

 

[cunning fergus]

It's also worth remembering what "shorting the pound" involves. It involves betting against the jobs, security, livelihoods and incomes of ordinary people. These are real lives being ruined which he has got rich off the back off. He's the very worst sort of tosser going.

This short selling practice you dislike and it’s affect on the lives of ordinary people..........can you recall George Soros and how he made over a billion on Britain’s exit from the ERM?

He must be the living embodiment of the very “worst sort of tossers” to quote you.......or maybe not?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...rexit-campaign-best-for-britain-a3809821.html

Capitalists eh?

 

[Baker lite]

70 days to go.


On our way

 

[Gwylan]

What is wrong with leave being split several ways? If anything that EXACTLY mirrors the will of the people. Nearly half want to remain and the other half want various different versions of leave. There is one CLEAR majority and that is remain.

The problem is that, in theory, we could a result like 31% remain and 23% for each of the three remain options so Remain wins, even though more than twice as many people wanted to leave - a complete distortion of people's wishes.


That's why a second referendum is a terrible idea, it's just going to muddy the waters some more

 

[WATFORD zero]

The problem is that, in theory, we could a result like 31% remain and 23% for each of the three remain options so Remain wins, even though more than twice as many people wanted to leave - a complete distortion of people's wishes.


That's why a second referendum is a terrible idea, it's just going to muddy the waters some more

It's simple, you have an alternative vote system, like this

https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?368879-1st-2nd-choice-Referendum-Poll&p=8699412&highlight=Triggaaar#post8699412

 

[Gwylan]

There's an interesting tweet from journalist Nick Cohen this morning. "Corbyn is a disaster socialist. He won't offer a workable solution because he wants Brexit to create as much damage as possible so the masses will turn to the far left, and he can blame any problems his government faces on the Tories."

When I suggested that theory on NSC a few months ago, I was told in no uncertain terms that, whatever one thought of Corbyn, he wouldn't be wishing economic disaster on the country to prove a particular point.

It's good to know that at least one political journalist is thinking on the same lines as me - I really don't think it's that far-fetched.

 

[The Clamp]

I pity you for believing the competences afforded to the EU via treaty are false and thinking directly applicable EU law, where legislation from the EU in some cases can become directly effective on member states and can bypass the need for national parliaments to make implementing measures on domestic legal systems is all a load of made up ballocks.
Believing as you must therefore do, that MPs that believe this form of pooled sovereignty is a price worth paying even if some sovereign parliamentary powers are ceded to Brussels are simply just making the issue up anyway or that MPs on the other side of the debate who have been increasingly frustrated over the years at the increases in these competences and the increase in powers and legislation moving from Westminster to Brussels have just imagined it, is astonishing.
Did you forget 100`s of MPs who were opposed and voted against the Lisbon Treaty (but failed)from ever coming into force, a treaty where competence areas to legislate in this way by the EU were increased.
Perhaps you will try to say the European Communities Act which specifically recognises the existence of directly applicable EU law (that you consider ballocks) and makes it possible for it to operate within the UK legal system without further parliamentary enactment and decision input is an imaginary piece of legislation too.
This is the issue at the heart of the parliamentary sovereignty debate yet you have simply dismissed it all as utter rubbish and a load of made up waffle……………....wow.

You’ve fallen hook line and sinker.

Besides which, perhaps we should pool more of our powers. Frankly I’d rather have a collective of some of Europe’s top politicians making some sane decisions for us than the utter shambles of a U.K. government we have doing it now.
And perhaps the U.K. people need some help with decisions too, look at the cluster**** created when we were last given an important decision to make.
I welcome our European overlords. Give them more power I say.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I've just read your link and it doesn't say that. It says things like 'the important fact is that key EU leaders think they can take the risk' (ie, it is a risk for them). That risk means they're not in a position to take the piss as much as they could if they knew No Deal wasn't an option.

Desperate isn't my choice of words, but I can't see the point in removing the option in return for nothing. It is clearly something the EU are concerned about and clearly something that affects the negotiations. I can't see the point in Corbyn refusing to talk unless the option is removed, it's childish.

So we can agree to disagree on the subject of the no deal negotiation strategy, but a good discussion and I respect you views. However, you are clearly interested or believe in having a strong negotiating position, and yet the leader of the opposition should walk in without one? And that is childish? I don't get the logic. Labour have said since the election they favoured a customs union / single market style route. There has been no offer of any discussion even though May has known this from the moment the GE result was announced, that her own party would be split and she would have to rely on votes from across the house to get any deal through. But still she has ploughed on with her red lines in the sand, pandering to a minority in the house not the majority, and not offering any talks or concessions. Then suddenly she wants a chat with the leader of the opposition, after it has got this far, after she postponed the first vote, another pointless time wasting exercise, and Corbyn is childish. Remarkable.