[Politics] Brexit

[Thunder Bolt]

It's not a lie though, it's an 'alternative fact'......

Ah, a Farage fact.

 

[Chicken Run]

As an aside. I know a number of Brits trying to make something of their lives who have been totally hamstrung by this. If you’re ever over here I invite you to stand in front of them and repeat your smug and insensitive post. In fact. I’ll pay for your flight and accommodation if you want. When do you want to come?

I’ll come, I’ve always fancied Berlin in the Spring, Easter suit?

 

[Bold Seagull]

That is the argument for keeping No Deal on the table.

I am asking, with No Deal off the table, why then would you vote for a deal. You wouldn't want No Deal, but it's off the table. Can't happen. So why then agree to any deals?

Because it would be honouring the result of the referendum, which both main parties have committed to doing.

You know, the deal would have gone through if the Tory party had backed their leader. The main people not to back the deal were the brexiteers. Remind who is stopping brexit!?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I’ll come, I’ve always fancied Berlin in the Spring, Easter suit?

Ha ha. Offer is only to insensitive smug types and you tick neither box I’m afraid. But, if you should ever find yourself in these parts I’ll certainly look after you and take you out on the town!

 

[fanseagull]

Ah, a Farage fact.

Correct! I imagine after he was interviewed and had told his porky pie, he thought 'oops, did I say that out loud? They can check! Oh it's okay, no one will notice......'

 

[LlcoolJ]

Poor old Farage, the Eilte MEP with the worse attendance record in the EU parliament gets a hard time for taking a private jet when he takes a rare trip to Strasbourg

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1085541173840789504

Well when you consider all he's been through, its the least he deserves

Some amazing replies. This one is good....

"@Alex16212328: [MENTION=25152]Chann[/MENTION]el4News [MENTION=17857]Nigel[/MENTION]_Farage Well done to you Nigel . And really that reporter is annoying. You already told him that you payed out of your pocket but still he wouldn't listen just like people from layber party that they don't get it Brexit it means Brexit no deal it means no deal ."

FFS

 

[ManOfSussex]

I always assumed our position as the 2nd biggest economy in Europe, the 5th largest in the world, trading with the 2nd biggest trading block in the world, would be suitable positions to start negotiating a deal that benefits each side that knows they will continue to trade, whatever the outcome, long into the future, without the idle threat of a no deal.

Based on May's red lines and the fact we signed up to the Irish backstop in 2017, that Withdrawal Agreement and vague future declaration was the only and best possible outcome.

This was also never a negotiation, or game of bluff with the folly of no deal in our top pocket - it was a process and exercise in damage limitation. We're the ones inflicting it on ourselves and others. If the backstop was to be touched to placate The DUP and others, the Fine Gael coalition falls in Dublin, precipitating a political crisis in Ireland that will happen in April anyway (and a whole lot more beside) if no deal occurred.

 

[fanseagull]

Some amazing replies. This one is good....

"@Alex16212328: [MENTION=25152]Chann[/MENTION]el4News [MENTION=17857]Nigel[/MENTION]_Farage Well done to you Nigel . And really that reporter is annoying. You already told him that you payed out of your pocket but still he wouldn't listen just like people from layber party that they don't get it Brexit it means Brexit no deal it means no deal ."

FFS

Laughable at so many levels........

 

[LlcoolJ]

While people discuss whether or not Farage is part of the elite because he used a private plane, they are ignoring the much bigger issue of him shorting the pound on the night of the referendum.

And yet some people still think he's some sort of "decent bloke" "man of the people".

It's unbelievable.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Open disagreement between the PM and her Chancellor really improving matters. And people want to talk about Corbyn.

 

[ManOfSussex]

What a photo this was today. First thing I thought of was Reservoir Dogs, but 'The Notorious E.R.G.' is apparently its official caption.

 

[cunning fergus]

While people discuss whether or not Farage is part of the elite because he used a private plane, they are ignoring the much bigger issue of him shorting the pound on the night of the referendum.

And yet some people still think he's some sort of "decent bloke" "man of the people".

It's unbelievable.

You think?

He took a punt, caveat emptor.......what about these “decent blokes”?

https://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/...pay-our-richest-landowners-millions-subsidies

They get money for nothing......people like Hesaltine and the 8th Duke of Wellington, (he of most cleaning fame). You need to check whose side you are on before you start throwing stones!

 

[cunning fergus]

You cannot ignore the rest of the world and create an isolated island of Socialism, well you can, but it would look a bit like North Korea. We need people like you, but it will be less hardcore and more pragmatic people that get somewhere. In short, don't change, but forgive me for being more realistic.

In what way am I “hardcore”?

I do not want to be a member of a undemocratic corporatist cabal, I don’t accept that position is hardcore.

The principle argument of any remainer is trade, concern rages about the banks, the city of London, global car brands, global pharma companies etc. etc. These are the arguments of tories, liberals or Blairites. We know what these people stand for, and that’s fine, but let’s accept what side of the argument we are on. I’m with Dennis Skinner, you are with Michael Hesiltine.

The pro EU lot are so hardcore that the word “leave” is nieve being interpreted to mean remain.

Mental!

 

[A1X]

What a photo this was today. First thing I thought of was Reservoir Dogs, but 'The Notorious E.R.G.' is apparently its official caption.

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Not pictured - ability

 

[Giraffe]

Having given it some thought the only answer may be a second referendum provided all the options on the table were actually achievable.

I'd have something like "Which of the following should the Government of the United Kingdom enact to reflect the decision of the citizens of the United Kingdom to leave the European Union?"

Options:
- WTO (also known as no deal)
- Theresa May's deal (I would give it a name if I could think of something that wasn't rude)
- Canada +++ deal

I would limit it to three options with the losing option dropping off.

Then one month later I'd have another referendum with just the two winning options. Then we will have a clear winner with 50%+ so no one could say it wasn't supported. Having given the people the decision to vote leave it is only right they now vote to say how we do so.

Highest vote wins. Off we go and we can get on with our lives. Surely wouldn't be difficult to organise a simple referendum on this basis.

 

[LlcoolJ]

You think?

He took a punt, caveat emptor.......what about these “decent blokes”?

https://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/...pay-our-richest-landowners-millions-subsidies

They get money for nothing......people like Hesaltine and the 8th Duke of Wellington, (he of most cleaning fame). You need to check whose side you are on before you start throwing stones!

That has absolutely nothing to do with the point I made.

Struggling to think of anyone who would consider the Duke of Westminster a "man of the people".

Straw clutching, as ever.

 

[CHAPPERS]

So how happy are we with the government threatening the GFA? Because they are.

 

[Gwylan]

Having given it some thought the only answer may be a second referendum provided all the options on the table were actually achievable.

I'd have something like "Which of the following should the Government of the United Kingdom enact to reflect the decision of the citizens of the United Kingdom to leave the European Union?"

Options:
- WTO (also known as no deal)
- Theresa May's deal (I would give it a name if I could think of something that wasn't rude)
- Canada +++ deal

As I said earlier, the problem with Leave options alone on the ballot is that it disenfranchises half the electorate. If that half didn't vote (and we had a lower turnout from the Leavers because they didn't like any of the options), we could have a turnout of just 30/35%, with the winner racking just 15% of the electorate - that would be a very thin mandate to base such a radical move on.

 

[LlcoolJ]

Oh bollocks, I've strayed onto this rancid thread again by mistake. I blame the wine (and the other similar threads). As you were.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Comedy Gold

Esther McVey at a leave supporting meet - " You can see the thousands of people coming in behind me"

Sky Host "We can see about a dozen or so"

Esther McVey "1500 people are expected here"