[Politics] Brexit

[pb21]

If Parliament wanted “control” then they should not have overwhelmingly voted for the referendum, but they did. Parliament was overwhelmingly for remaining in the EU, and via the leaflet posted to every household Parliament made it clear that a) we should stay in the EU, and b) that they would implement the decision of the referendum.

Parliament did in the wake of the referendum vote for Article 50, but since they have last their bottle. So yes, they are now taking “control” to frustrate the decision of the referendum. Not a very edifying move given that they wanted to give the people a referendum on staying or leaving the EU.

I look forward to the next time some MP chooses to criticise Russia or China or North Korea on their lack of democracy........where there is too much power in the hands of the few.

Who sent the leaflet?

 

[The Clamp]

Umm ...im not confused at all you wally. I can see clearly your brain thinks,at the same time,that Brexit will both not happen and will happen.
You are now confused about your own self inflicted confusion. Have another pot noodle, you need the brain food.

Waffle

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Probably why Ford’s biggest factory for the EU market is in Turkey, built with loans from the EU investment bank. Those workers made redundant in the UK (and EU) when production moved didn’t get much airtime at that point. But now the tears are flowing........how strange?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/taxpayers-millions-fuel-ford-transit-move-to-turkey-sjsdcmsn23k

You were accusing socialists of being Tories yesterday, now you’ve rolled out the Transit van tale. Bravo! Can you do the Tate and Lyle one next, not heard that for a while either. Oh, and maybe end your reply to this with some badly Google translated Deutsch insults?

PS maybe go balls deep and do your Alan Shearer impression and mention again you’re a roofer’s son from Moulscombe (can’t be arsed to look up the correct spelling).

 

[cunning fergus]

Who sent the leaflet?

The pro remain Government......plus ca change.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35980571

Only £9m

 

[Da Man Clay]

I did conflate extend and withdraw in yesterday’s exchange. I hold my hands up to this. But to me it doesn’t make any difference...as I explained above. You seem to disagree though, can you explain to me why?

Quite simply one has been agreed in law and the other hasn’t. There has been no discussion around the unilateral ability to delay brexit and it wasn’t mentioned in the legal ruling in relation to withdrawal. In any case it’s also in article 50 as below.

“The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.”

 

[cunning fergus]

You were accusing socialists of being Tories yesterday, now you’ve rolled out the Transit van tale. Bravo! Can you do the Tate and Lyle one next, not heard that for a while either. Oh, and maybe end your reply to this with some badly Google translated Deutsch insults?

PS maybe go balls deep and do your Alan Shearer impression and mention again you’re a roofer’s son from Moulscombe (can’t be arsed to look up the correct spelling).

Every time someone is crying about the implications of Brexit on the motor industry I will bring up Ford, EU loans and Turkey.

Thousands of jobs lost by EU citizens.

It’s weird that despite the many times I have raised it you have never opined on the implications of the situation, merely that I raise it. It’s not fake news, it’s not hyperbole it happened, jobs are lost and have been lost while we were in the EU. In the case of Ford, there are questions to answer about how institutions like the EIB operates.

My view is that the EIB is generating profit for its loans, to the benefit of the EU and the member states Govts that underwrite the EIB at the expense of EU workers. Sounds kinda Tory doesn’t it?

Chin chin.

PS. yes, I am, and I was bought up to understand the difference between Tories and socialists.

 

[pb21]

The pro remain Government......plus ca change.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35980571

Only £9m

So not Parliament then.

Also just because Parliament voted for the European Union Referendum Act 2015 doesn't mean they waivered any future say in what happened.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Oh, and maybe end your reply to this with some badly Google translated Deutsch insults

Chin chin.

You’ve moved onto badly translated Italian now. Priceless. It’s Cin Cin you fool.

 

[pb21]

Every time someone is crying about the implications of Brexit on the motor industry I will bring up Ford, EU loans and Turkey.

Thousands of jobs lost by EU citizens.

It’s weird that despite the many times I have raised it you have never opined on the implications of the situation, merely that I raise it. It’s not fake news, it’s not hyperbole it happened, jobs are lost and have been lost while we were in the EU. In the case of Ford, there are questions to answer about how institutions like the EIB operates.

My view is that the EIB is generating profit for its loans, to the benefit of the EU and the member states Govts that underwrite the EIB at the expense of EU workers. Sounds kinda Tory doesn’t it?

Chin chin.

PS. yes, I am, and I was bought up to understand the difference between Tories and socialists.

I wonder how many jobs the EIB has helped create for EU and UK citizens?

 

[cunning fergus]

So not Parliament then.

Also just because Parliament voted for the European Union Referendum Act 2015 doesn't mean they waivered any future say in what happened.

I see, so what you are saying is that the Government is not part of the Parliament?

So if Parliament vote for a referendum, let’s call that the people’s vote, then Parliament can choose whether or not to act on it?

They set the question.......as a reminder it was remain in the EU or LEAVE the EU.

Not partially leave, or partially remain.

 

[cunning fergus]

I wonder how many jobs the EIB has helped create for EU and UK citizens?

Wonder away......how does the EIB raise its money, and more importantly who is on the hook in the event of a default?

 

[pb21]

Wonder away......how does the EIB raise its money, and more importantly who is on the hook in the event of a default?

Just had a look and since 1973 the EIB has loaned the following amount to UK projects €118,313,107,517.05, a total of 1,420 projects.

I would guess that has created quite a few thousand jobs?

 

[nicko31]

If Parliament wanted “control” then they should not have overwhelmingly voted for the referendum, but they did. Parliament was overwhelmingly for remaining in the EU, and via the leaflet posted to every household Parliament made it clear that a) we should stay in the EU, and b) that they would implement the decision of the referendum.

Parliament did in the wake of the referendum vote for Article 50, but since they have last their bottle. So yes, they are now taking “control” to frustrate the decision of the referendum. Not a very edifying move given that they wanted to give the people a referendum on staying or leaving the EU.

I look forward to the next time some MP chooses to criticise Russia or China or North Korea on their lack of democracy........where there is too much power in the hands of the few.

Parliament is taking back control because the government is playing Russian rolette with the countries future, complete indecision and head in the sand for over 12 months has brought us to this. Last year was supposed to be all about the future relationship on trade, still stuck at first base.

This week we've are seeing the emergence of some true patriots, unlike some don't just see a wild west unregulated Britain as an opportunity to line their own pockets

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Just had a look and since 1973 the EIB has loaned the following amount to UK projects €118,313,107,517.05

I would guess that has created quite a few thousand jobs?

As an aside, when Fergus first raised his tedious Transit van tale it was picked apart and comprehensively dismantled. It’s all in this thread if you can be arsed to scroll back.

He’s got a handful of arguments and insults he endlessly repeats....most of us a just bored by them now.

 

[portslade seagull]

Just had a look and since 1973 the EIB has loaned the following amount to UK projects €118,313,107,517.05, a total of 1,420 projects.

I would guess that has created quite a few thousand jobs?

Over the same period how much have we paid in to get back that amount can you look that up

 

[nicko31]

The pro remain Government......plus ca change.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35980571

Only £9m

A drop in ocean compared to £4000M spent and no deal Brexit planning, and £50,000M in lost growth to the economy since Brexit

#brexitnumbers

Real pity a £3k Brexit levy couldn't be slapped on every leave voter, would focus their minds a bit. Instead chuck it on the credit card, our kids pick up the tab!!

 

[pb21]

Over the same period how much have we paid in to get back that amount can you look that up

Paid in to what? The EIB is not financed directly by EU member states.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

You’ve moved onto badly translated Italian now. Priceless. It’s Cin Cin you fool.

Sometimes HT it's better to stop digging when one makes a fool of oneself. So as well as confusing the words extend and withdraw, you have now never heard of the expression "Chin Chin" ...... oh dear - https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/chin-chin

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Over the same period how much have we paid in to get back that amount can you look that up

Half a trillion according to the Telegraph ...... great value for money ..... not.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Sometimes HT it's better to stop digging when one makes a fool of oneself. So as well as confusing the words extend and withdraw, you have now never heard of the expression "Chin Chin" ...... oh dear - https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/chin-chin

No. I have never seen that spelling before. I have always assumed it was Italian, like when someone says ciao. I guess I’m far more European minded than most. Every day is a school day.