cannot get over people ignoring him and isn't grown up enough to move on,or retire to Jersey.
Yes, I will call you cynical if I may and your second para just reheats your old arguments. Although I accept I could have said East Lincolnshire rather than just Boston. Seduced by the possibilities of alliteration.Having exchanged views and 'pleasantries' on numerous occasions can I assure you your tendency to misrepresent - strawman opinions is a regular occurrence.
Apologies I might not have made myself clear. I was referring to you being the one with an agenda, as you were claiming your long-standing friend was quite an important person, rather famous and involved with hundreds possibly thousands of people, many greeting him wherever he went. I assumed you added all this fluff to try and suggest his opinion was significant. Your further explanation where you say he is actually unimportant and just offering a vague view based on Barnsley feeling left behind since industries closed decades ago perhaps shows why personal anecdotes/opinions aren't usually considered as compelling evidence when trying to draw wider conclusions. As I said before there are numerous Barnsley residents online giving their reasons for voting for Brexit. Most of them mention immigration.
Boston! ... which has seen large-scale EU migration, the residents electing numerous UKIP councillors in response. Yet you still believe they went to the polls and voted for Leave by a landslide for issues mainly unrelated to membership of the EU.
Call me cynical but here was I thinking your ongoing need to question and misinterpret most leave voters motivations was just another avenue to try and delegitimise the referendum result. Which is why you immediately brought up the softest of Brexits as an option.
More importantly, they seem confident they can deliver a smooth transition to the most likely outcome where we agree to a new comprehensive free trade agreement.
https://www.getlinkgroup.com/upload...2018/Presentation-Investor-Day-19June2018.pdf
Lastly, we get to the people who seem to have a grasp of the implications of Brexit, [MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] and [MENTION=33253]JC Footy Genius[/MENTION] (Sorry gentleman, the very definition of damning with faint praise). Even they are reduced to avoiding the main issue with forays of whataboutism where they win the occasional argument.
Two years on from the vote, 9 months from us 'leaving' the EU what have we got ? Two possibilities
1/ Softest of soft Brexits, still in a customs union, freedom of movement, significant contributions, no influence whatsoever.
2/ Continued fudging/Further extensions of membership until another vote (GE or referendum).
But this is what we voted for, and this is the reality of where this total clusterf*** has got us,
But who could have seen this coming
Honoured and touched though I am for your mention I think you may be a bit premature to be announcing 'Brexit isn't going to happen'.
I utterly agree May and her cohorts are making a dogs dinner of it ( although I'm not entirely sure any cabinet made up of any party wouldn't be in the same position ) but IMO we will still leave and we won't be part or the current customs union or single market. Is it likely to be what 'I voted for' ? No, obviously. That said, nobody - leavers nor remainers - know what we will end up with despite some of the crowing on here. As for my forays in whataboutism, well, I'm happy to debate sensibly with those that want ( I class you among that group ) but some of the silly posts from some - implying every job loss is down to Brexit ala HT or the Braveheart style posts from young Plooks about defending the EU realm - can only be answered with whataboutism ..... indeed it's quite fun
So the remain luvvies take a French company's word with a pinch of salt,but rely on a Murdoch company for their propaganda.You couldn't make it up!