[Politics] Brexit

[melias shoes]

So nearly 2 years after voting, we are at the one year and counting, until the first 21 month extension, where we carry on being a member but have no say - Rejoice

Still leaving. Rejoice.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

"Lets just get on with it" has become the phrase of the day of sections of ignorant joe public

We do a parliamentary democracy and due process needs to take place, despite the wishes of the Tory right and their offshore mates in the press.

Brexit is incredibly complex and expensive. It is still a case of "if" we leave, not "when", so little has been achieved and so much to do

Little has been achieved because the politicians haven't got a clue what they're doing. The whole referendum was cooked up by Cameron to shut up the Eurosceptics in his own party, and he fully expected Remain to win.
Shambles.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

It's absolutely disgusting.

...as is singling out specific individuals as being morons, hypocrites, loons, liars, murder-accomplices and congenitally stupid. I try to avoid name-calling, even when it is accurate, but I do wish some of the Leave contingent on here would stop coming over all faux indignant when someone makes a daft sweeping comment. We shouldn't descend to having a competition to find out who can be the nastier but if an objective measure is needed it might be worth looking at how many Leavers have been banned for this sort of thing from here, and how many Remainers.

 

[ManOfSussex]

"Lets just get on with it" has become the phrase of the day of sections of ignorant joe public

We do a parliamentary democracy and due process needs to take place, despite the wishes of the Tory right and their offshore mates in the press.

Brexit is incredibly complex and expensive. It is still a case of "if" we leave, not "when", so little has been achieved and so much to do

There's nothing positive to claim or say about the process, the complexities are huge as anyone who's honest can see, so many things not even in the planning stage of being ready, such as key infrastructures etc, hence the - 'Nurr, but we're leaving, you remoaner, tick-tock, one year to go' posts on this thread.

One year to go to a transition nobody voted for. Lets all have a disco.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

...as is singling out specific individuals as being morons, hypocrites, loons, liars, murder-accomplices and congenitally stupid. I try to avoid name-calling, even when it is accurate, but I do wish some of the Leave contingent on here would stop coming over all faux indignant when someone makes a daft sweeping comment. We shouldn't descend to having a competition to find out who can be the nastier but if an objective measure is needed it might be worth looking at how many Leavers have been banned for this sort of thing from here, and how many Remainers.

I wasn't aware anyone had been banned ? Regardless, lets throw in those that keep playing the man rather the ball - porn bookmarks and drinking with footballers spring to mind. Those that keep doing this know who they are.

 

[Withdean]

Brexit leave was Putin powered.

 

[nicko31]

I wasn't aware anyone had been banned ? Regardless, lets throw in those that keep playing the man rather the ball - porn bookmarks and drinking with footballers spring to mind. Those that keep doing this know who they are.

Brexit aside, there has been some NSC Gold moments on this thread

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

This is a very effectively packaged audit of Brexit so far.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...28/11-brexit-promises-leavers-quietly-dropped

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

A good friend of mine, another pensioner, posted on my Facebook discussion, (sic) OFGS let's just get on with it.
I asked her what it was she wanted us to get on with? What deal did she want? I gave her the option of Norway, Swiss, Canadian, hard Brexit, soft Brexit or no deal.
She couldn't answer me. She didn't know what it was she wanted the politicians to get on with, or how it would affect us when we'd finally come out.
That's putting a lot of trust into the politicians, who, imo, have proved themselves to be untrustworthy.

If you don't know what exactly you are getting on with, how do you know when it is done that you actually have got what you were getting on with ?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I wasn't aware anyone had been banned ? Regardless, lets throw in those that keep playing the man rather the ball - porn bookmarks and drinking with footballers spring to mind. Those that keep doing this know who they are.

I agree with you that spacktards, for example, was unjustified. As far as playing the man is concerned, it all depends... I don't think there were any inaccuracies in remainers' comments about porn bookmarks and drinking with footballers so to that extent I understand others being tempted to kick balls into open goals (particularly when the two people concerned have a long history of firing personal insult after personal insult at people they disagree with). Posters have been banned for doing the things you dislike. I dislike them too so on that at least we are on the same side.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I've been listening to The Today programme this morning. It's coming from Teesside and, not surprisingly given the date, Brexit is a main theme. At one point it turned into a kind of focus group featuring a bunch of workers in a factory. Now before any anti-BBC agendas kick-in I don't think that they were set-up in any way. And anyway my impressions will be music to the ears of Leavers.

- they sounded like decent ordinary folk; they could well be representative of a big slice of the Brexit vote in the north

- they deserve to be listened to

- they have no enthusiasm whatever for a 2nd referendum

- the overwhelming view is that 'we should just get on with it'; that Brexit might not work out but it was worth it

- one respondent (even) said that if he lost his job as a direct result of Brexit he would still think it was worth it (there's a good chance of this happening)

These are my impressions. It made for depressing listening for me. The 'just get on with it' phrase has replaced 'take back control' as a very powerful 'common sense' framing device. There's a passive stoicism tinged I think with resentment that anyone should want to stir things up or make life more complicated.

This made for hard listening for the likes of me. But then I thought about us lot on this thread. We are highly untypical; we are the odd ones. How many people contribute to NSC threads? Of those how many come on this thread? I don't know but my guess is a very low proportion. And of those who visit this thread, how many contribute? My guess would be that about 90% of the stuff on here comes from about the same 10 people; we probably have some sort of mental disorder.

It's a bit like being stuck in a lift with 10 people - 5 that you like and 5 you don't. And here we all are having the same arguments over and over again (or variations) while the rest of the world (and NSC) just........gets on with it. We might just have a lot more in common with each other than we have with the rest of the population.

Bloody hell: that is scary and rather depressing. The one thing we can't get on with is each other. But at least we care.

This is a short clip of a conversation on a train from Stockton to Middlesbrough. Femi Oluwole is a lawyer who has given up his career to campaign for Remain. He started the campaign for youngsters Our Future, Our Choice

https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/979098868506865666


[tweet]979098868506865666[/tweet]

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Brexit leave was Putin powered.

Those few words are enough to send heads into the sand.

 

[Two Professors]

Slightly less funny than all your other posts. It also doesn't make sense, which is not so dissimilar to all your other posts.

Perhaps if you read the rest of the thread,even someone like you might understand.The fake german was bigging up german orchestras,you introduced a reference to the nazis,and the germans used to organise orchestras from their extermination camp inmates.Does that make it simple enough for you?Quite why any sane Labour supporter would draw any sort of attention in any way to the nazis,given their massive anti-semitism problems,I struggle to understand.Perhaps the Holocaust should be compulsory reading for Labour/Momentum supporters,with a picture version for Socialist Workerslolol.

 

[Two Professors]

Getting closer to us leaving the EU.Hope we manage to get out before it collapses under ECB debt!

 

[nicko31]

This is a short clip of a conversation on a train from Stockton to Middlesbrough. Femi Oluwole is a lawyer who has given up his career to campaign for Remain. He started the campaign for youngsters Our Future, Our Choice

https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/979098868506865666


[tweet]979098868506865666[/tweet]

Perhaps Liam Fox should watch this vid he has done

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/848093140196130817

 

[Two Professors]

I agree with you that spacktards, for example, was unjustified. As far as playing the man is concerned, it all depends... I don't think there were any inaccuracies in remainers' comments about porn bookmarks and drinking with footballers so to that extent I understand others being tempted to kick balls into open goals (particularly when the two people concerned have a long history of firing personal insult after personal insult at people they disagree with). Posters have been banned for doing the things you dislike. I dislike them too so on that at least we are on the same side.

The personal insults posters get is more than deserved,and is in response to their insults and abuse.If they moderated their abuse,and stopped stalking people on other threads,then I'm sure there would be a lot less abuse,as opposed to banter.The main instigators of this appear to be stuck in their ways.

 

[Two Professors]

Here's a nice article for the conspiracy people to think about:

 

[nicko31]

Here's a nice article for the conspiracy people to think about:

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Centre for Policy Studies, DISMISS...

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

The personal insults posters get is more than deserved,and is in response to their insults and abuse.If they moderated their abuse,and stopped stalking people on other threads,then I'm sure there would be a lot less abuse,as opposed to banter.The main instigators of this appear to be stuck in their ways.

David Warner complaining about being sledged?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Here's a nice article for the conspiracy people to think about:

"...there is no evidence that there was collusion" Isn't that the point?