[Politics] Brexit

[Dave the OAP]

Labour are almost as bad as the Tories on Brexit.

What doesn't change is the Brexit everyone was promised is undeliverable.

at the risk of stating the bleeding obvious, labour had no inclination ( as everyone else) that the vote would have been in favour of leaving. I am sure this is the elephant in the room at shadow cabinet meetings. Corbyn has been very quiet on Brexit and I think he is playing the game of sitting back and watching the Conservatives tearing themselves apart. He is probably as surprised as all of us that we haven't gone back to the polls for a GE as TM seems to be clinging to power by her manicured fingernails.

The only real banger of the table is Emily Thornberry, who I have a lot of time for, and she is very much for staying in the single market, customs union and free trade zone to protect jobs in the UK.

It would be very interesting if we had a GE in the next 3 months and if Corbyn won it, which sounds like it would happen, if he came out and said that it was going to cost too many UK jobs and ditched the whole idea. He would have a majority ( a lot of Tories would back him) and it would be put on the shelf of history

 

[Mellotron]

“Young MP Ben Bradley wants to 'fix Tory image problem'”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/42615154/young-mp-ben-bradley-wants-to-fix-tory-image-problem

I think he’d have more chance of re-branding Jimmy Saville

Surely the easiest way to "fix" it would just be to stop being c**ts, no?

 

[Blue3]

I am afraid we reap from what we sow

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Surely the easiest way to "fix" it would just be to stop being c**ts, no?

Good point, well made.

 

[ManOfSussex]

He would be better off concentrating on keeping his seat at the next election

Just a majority of 57 there in Mansfield for young Benjamin. Here he is photographed visiting his local football team with his namesake and ex-Culture Secretary Karen and the charming Radford's who own The Stags, 2 months ago. I hear Mrs Radford is very adept at 'escorting' male guests and can be a very accommodating and charming hostess................

 

[BigGully]

Have any of you in the nerdy gang ever in your adult life had a government that represented your political views, ever ?

Must be extremely frustrating and then the referendum came along and you thought 'yes at last' but noooooooo the electorate slaps you down yet again, it's like parody of an AA meeting at some stage you need to stand up and admit 'I am just a daft political activist and no-one takes me seriously', you'll feel much better.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Not really - I don't think I'm her type as I'm one of her constituents - We're on drugs and benefits according to her among other things - Plus as Home Secretary I'm sure it'd be prudent to use privileges available to such an office of state and do a DBS check on any potential suitor - You never know what one of them may find from the dim and distant past.....................

Speaking of being drunk though, you stick to copying and pasting articles from that Irish right wing drunk blogger you like aka Guido Fawkes site and The Daily Telegraph etc to promulgate your ideological views as the official NSC mouthpiece for Vote Leave/The Conservative & Unionist Party/Activate like a good little, short back and sides Tory boy.

I'm going to test out the ignore feature and stick you on mine on a trial basis with a view to a permanent move as you're just like the readers comments section of The Daily Mail, though less intelligible. I may extend this trial further, to others particularly if I suspect the username to be Tory, Brexit voting and public school.

(Congratulations on being the first onto my ignore list trial - I'm sure someone like yourself has long history of coming first though and is quite used to it. )

Anyway, laters, Tory Boy.

Oooo what a fibber ... you said she undressesd you with her eyes. I expect many of you are (alcohol counts as a drug).

I'm honoured that little old 'Tory boy', **** me has caused you to flee the debate, probably for the best (eg your mental and physical health), cheerio and no peeking

 

[pastafarian]

Yawn .... repeating nicko31's rubbish won't make it true. Here's my reply to him when he made the same stupid claim :

What a load of bollocks - Parliament has discussed over 200 non-EU bills in the last six months ( see below ). Paralysis my arse !

Sanctions and Anti-Money Laundering Bill [HL]
Registration of Marriage Bill [HL]
Pension Benefits (Ill Health) Bill
Open Skies Agreement (Membership) Bill [HL]
Laser Misuse (Vehicles) Bill [HL]
Finance (No.2) Bill
Emergency Response Drivers (Protections) Bill
Conscientious Objection (Medical Activities) Bill [HL]
Access to Radiotherapy Bill
University of London Bill [HL]
Richmond Burgage Pastures Bill [HL]
City of London Corporation (Open Spaces) Bill
Trade Bill
Telecommunications Infrastructure (Relief from Non-Domestic Rates) Bill
Space Industry Bill [HL]
Smart Meters Bill
Refugees (Family Reunion) Bill [HL]
Nuclear Safeguards Bill
Local Government Elections (Referendum) Bill [HL]
Immigration Control (Gross Human Rights Abuses) Bill [HL]
High Speed Rail (West Midlands - Crewe) Bill
Financial Guidance and Claims Bill [HL]
Automated and Electric Vehicles Bill
Armed Forces (Flexible Working) Bill [HL]
Short and Holiday-Let Accommodation (Notification of Local Authorities) Bill
Taxation (Cross-border Trade) Bill
Food Insecurity Bill
Data Protection Bill [HL]
Local Authorities (Removal of Council Tax Restrictions) Bill
Courts (Abuse of Process) Bill
Terms of Withdrawal from EU (Referendum) Bill
Sanctions (Human Rights Abuse and Corruption) Bill
Tyres (Buses and Coaches) Bill
Service Animals (Offences) Bill
Registration of Marriage (No. 2) Bill
Clean Air Bill
Voter Registration (No. 2) Bill
Parental Bereavement (Leave and Pay) Bill
Automatic Electoral Registration (No. 2) Bill
Representation of the People (Young People's Enfranchisement and Education) Bill
Prisons (Interference with Wireless Telegraphy) Bill
Principal Local Authorities (Grounds for Abolition) Bill
Parliamentary Constituencies (Amendment) Bill
Judicial Appointments and Retirements (Age Limits) Bill
Health and Social Care (National Data Guardian) Bill
Coastal Path (Definition) Bill
Genocide Determination (No. 2) Bill
Finance (No.2) Act 2017
Child Maintenance (Assessment of Parents' Income) Bill
Universal Credit (Application, Advice and Assistance) Bill
Home Education (Duty of Local Authorities) Bill [HL]
Equality Act 2010 (Amendment) (Disabled Access) Bill [HL]
Creditworthiness Assessment Bill [HL]
Automatic Travel Compensation Bill
New Southgate Cemetery Act 2017
Northern Ireland Budget Act 2017
Air Travel Organisers' Licensing Act 2017
Mental Health Units (Use of Force) Bill
Assaults on Emergency Workers (Offences) Bill
Hospital Car Parking Charges (Abolition) Bill
Leasehold Reform Bill
Middle Level Bill
Armed Forces (Statute of Limitations) Bill
Affordable Home Ownership Bill
Unpaid Work Experience (Prohibition) Bill [HL]
Democratic Political Activity (Funding and Expenditure) Bill [HL]
Asset Freezing (Compensation) Bill [HL]
Live Animal Exports (Prohibition) Bill
Workers (Definition and Rights) Bill
Sublet Property (Offences) Bill
Student Loans (Debt Discharge) Bill
Stamp Duty Bill
Speed Limits (England) Bill
Public Sector Exit Payments (Limitation) Bill
Mobile Homes and Park Homes Bill
Manufactured Goods (Trade) Bill
Local Audit (Public Access to Documents) Bill
Fruit and Vegetables (Classification) Bill
Fishing (Access to Territorial Waters) Bill
Electronic Cigarettes (Regulation) Bill
Electoral Commission (Duties) Bill
Domestic Energy (Value Added Tax) Bill
Criminal Fraud (Private Prosecutions) Bill
Armed Forces (Volunteer Reserve) Bill
Channel 4 (Relocation) Bill
Business of the House Commission Bill
Fetal Dopplers (Regulation) Bill
Legalisation of Cannabis (Medicinal Purposes) Bill
Green Belt (Protection) Bill
House of Lords (Exclusion of Hereditary Peers) Bill
Carbon Monoxide (Detection and Safety) Bill
Modern Slavery (Victim Support) Bill [HL]
House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) (Abolition of By-Elections) Bill [HL]
Age of Criminal Responsibility Bill [HL]
Pensions (Review of Women's Arrangements) (No. 2) Bill
Local Authorities (Borrowing and Investment) Bill
International Payments (Audit) Bill
Working Time (Regulations) Bill
Voter Registration Bill
Value Added Tax Bill
Unpaid Trial Work Periods (Prohibition) Bill
Tax Rates and Duties (Review) Bill
Student Loans (Debt Interest) Bill
Stalking Protection Bill
Schools Bill
School Holidays (Meals and Activities) Bill
Representation of the People (Young People's Enfranchisement) Bill
Public Services (Availability) Bill
Public Service Broadcasters (Privatisation) Bill
Prime Minister (Temporary Replacement) Bill
Prime Minister (Accountability to House of Commons) Bill
Pilot (Licensing) Bill
Physician Associates (Regulation) Bill
Pensions (Review of Women?s Arrangements) Bill
Parliamentary Allowances (Restriction) Bill
Parking (Code of Practice) Bill
Overseas Electors Bill
Ovarian Cancer (Public Awareness) Bill
Organ Donation (Deemed Consent) Bill
Northamptonshire Clinical Commissioning Groups (Merger) Bill
North Northamptonshire (Urgent Care Facilities) Bill
National Living Wage (Extension to Young People) Bill
National Health Service (Co-Funding and Co-Payment) Bill
Local Roads (Investment) Bill
Local Government Finance Bill
Licensing of Taxis and Private Hire Vehicles (Safeguarding and Road Safety) Bill
Leader of the House of Commons (Election) Bill
June Bank Holiday (Creation) Bill
Isham Bypass Bill
International Development Assistance (Limit) Bill
International Development Assistance (Definition) Bill
Import Tariff (Reduction) Bill
Illegal Immigration (Offences) Bill
Human Trafficking (Child Protection) Bill
Human Rights and Responsibilities Bill
House of Commons Whips (Transparency) Bill
Hospital (Parking Charges and Business Rates) Bill
Homes (Fitness for Human Habitation and Liability for Housing Standards) Bill
Homeless People (Current Accounts) Bill
Holiday Pay Bill
High Speed 2 Phase 1 (Reviews of Public Expenditure) Bill
Healthcare (Local Accountability) Bill
Government Departments (Abolition) Bill
General Election (Leaders? Debate) Bill
Freedom of Information (Extension) Bill
Free Trade (Education and Reporting) Bill
Foreign Nationals (Criminal Offender and Prisoner Removal) Bill
Employment Opportunities Bill
Employment and Workers' Rights Bill
Electoral Candidate (Age) Bill
Drone (Regulation) Bill
Deregulation Bill
Civil Partnerships, Marriages and Deaths (Registration Etc.) Bill
Child Safety (Cycle Helmets) Bill
British Broadcasting Corporation (Oversight) Bill
Border Control Bill
Benefits and Public Services (Restriction) Bill
BBC Licence Fee (Civil Penalty) Bill
Bat Habitats Regulation (No. 2) Bill
Supply and Appropriation (Main Estimates) Act 2017
Refugees (Family Reunion) (No. 2) Bill
Carbon Emission Reductions Bill [HL]
Automatic Electoral Registration Bill [HL]
Property Boundaries (Resolution of Disputes) Bill [HL]
Kew Gardens (Leases) Bill [HL]
Genocide Determination Bill [HL]
Civil Partnership Act 2004 (Amendment) (Mixed Sex Couples) Bill [HL]
Unaccompanied Asylum Seeking Children (Legal Advice and Appeals) Bill [HL]
Modern Slavery (Transparency in Supply Chains) Bill [HL]
Cosmetic Surgery (Standards) Bill [HL]
BBC Licence Fee Bill [HL]
Awards for Valour (Protection) Bill [HL]
Road Traffic Offenders (Surrender of Driving Licences Etc) Bill [HL]
Heritage Railways and Tramways (Voluntary Work) Bill [HL]
Elections and Referendums (Advertising) Bill [HL]
Abortion (Disability Equality) Bill [HL]
Right to Die at Home Bill [HL]
Opticians Act 1989 (Amendment) Bill [HL]
Marriage Act 1949 (Amendment) Bill [HL]
Learning Disabilities (Review of Services) Bill [HL]
Digital Economy Act 2017 (Amendment) (Definition of Extreme Pornography) Bill [HL]
Victims of Crime (Rights, Entitlements, and Notification of Child Sexual Abuse) Bill [HL]
Schools (Mental Health and Wellbeing) Bill [HL]
Policing Resources Bill [HL]
Certificate of Loss Bill [HL]
Voting Age (Reduction) Bill [HL]
Extension of Franchise (House of Lords) Bill [HL]
Cohabitation Rights Bill [HL]
Access to Palliative Care Bill [HL]
Abortion (Foetus Protection) Bill [HL]
Local Housing Authority Debt Bill [HL]
BBC (Independence) Bill [HL]
Anonymity (Arrested Persons) Bill [HL]
Family Relationships (Impact Assessment and Targets) Bill [HL]
Ecumenical Marriage Bill [HL]
Duchy of Cornwall Bill [HL]
Divorce (Financial Provision) Bill [HL]
Criminal Records Bill [HL]
Civil Partnership Act 2004 (Amendment) (Sibling Couples) Bill [HL]
Children Act 1989 (Amendment) (Female Genital Mutilation) Bill [HL]
Bat Habitats Regulation Bill [HL]
House of Lords Bill [HL]
Succession to Peerages Bill [HL]

The claim that the gov has no time for anything at all unless its brexit related and therefore paralysed is incredibly bonkers, as is the claim many of the bills on that list havnt been discussed to any degree of seriousness either.

Sounds like none of these remainers are aware of the user friendly search facility at Hansard, where a bill can be searched by type whether it’s a government one,private, a lords one, hybrid bill etc and can see its progress and what stage it is at.

This would show you plenty is going on(non brexit related) even government bills. You can easily search what has passed since the referendum vote when all this paralysis kicked in apparently or by recent parliamentary session.
The really dumb amongst them could skip the search facility all together and just open a Progress of Public Bills List which is compiled every week when parliament is in session, with all the information gathered for them in advance, Government Bills have a big capitol (G) next to them for the really clueless amongst the remainers should confusion set in.

Paralysed my arse indeed. What a load of nonsense.

 

[pastafarian]

I may be reading it wrong... but I can't see that anyone is banned from this thread.

Good news
I can only presume cunning fergus ban from here was a temporary one and not permanent. Herr Tubby wont be happy.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Have any of you in the nerdy gang ever in your adult life had a government that represented your political views, ever ?

Yes. The past 5 years. Education, health, transport and economic policies all represented very very well. I’d go as far to say some of the best around.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Good news
I can only presume cunning fergus ban from here was a temporary one and not permanent. Herr Tubby wont be happy.

It would also seem the bullshitting Two Professors has been banned?

 

[portslade seagull]

Just a majority of 57 there in Mansfield for young Benjamin. Here he is photographed visiting his local football team with his namesake and ex-Culture Secretary Karen and the charming Radford's who own The Stags, 2 months ago. I hear Mrs Radford is very adept at 'escorting' male guests and can be a very accommodating and charming hostess................

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That's a bit naughty libellous I might add if she took offence

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Just a majority of 57 there in Mansfield for young Benjamin. Here he is photographed visiting his local football team with his namesake and ex-Culture Secretary Karen and the charming Radford's who own The Stags, 2 months ago. I hear Mrs Radford is very adept at 'escorting' male guests and can be a very accommodating and charming hostess................

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What the ****s up with woman at the front? She looks a bit weird.

 

[nicko31]

The claim that the gov has no time for anything at all unless its brexit related and therefore paralysed is incredibly bonkers, as is the claim many of the bills on that list havnt been discussed to any degree of seriousness either.

Sounds like none of these remainers are aware of the user friendly search facility at Hansard, where a bill can be searched by type whether it’s a government one,private, a lords one, hybrid bill etc and can see its progress and what stage it is at.

This would show you plenty is going on(non brexit related) even government bills. You can easily search what has passed since the referendum vote when all this paralysis kicked in apparently or by recent parliamentary session.
The really dumb amongst them could skip the search facility all together and just open a Progress of Public Bills List which is compiled every week when parliament is in session, with all the information gathered for them in advance, Government Bills have a big capitol (G) next to them for the really clueless amongst the remainers should confusion set in.

Paralysed my arse indeed. What a load of nonsense.

So what is Theresa's greatest achievement since winning the election? Apart from the multiple capitulations on Brexit...

 

[pastafarian]

So what is Theresa's greatest achievement since winning the election? Apart from the multiple capitulations on Brexit...

Greatest?.......I would say the continued no capitulations on brexit and the continued desire to deliver the brexit that was voted for despite an onslaught from undemocratic lunatics in politics and the media or maybe the ability to trigger bedwetting hate filled snowflakes into constantly making fools of themselves................depends what mood im in.

 

[nicko31]

Greatest?.......I would say the continued no capitulations on brexit and the continued desire to deliver the brexit that was voted for despite an onslaught from undemocratic lunatics in politics and the media or maybe the ability to trigger bedwetting hate filled snowflakes into constantly making fools of themselves................depends what mood im in.

Come on, someone can do better than that....

P.S Capital B for Brexit if you still believe in Britain.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Greatest?.......I would say the continued no capitulations on brexit and the continued desire to deliver the brexit that was voted for despite an onslaught from undemocratic lunatics in politics and the media or maybe the ability to trigger bedwetting hate filled snowflakes into constantly making fools of themselves................depends what mood im in.

I think the question was really about greatest achievements away from Brexit. The u-turn on fox hunting must be up there.

 

[nicko31]

I think the question was really about greatest achievements away from Brexit. The u-turn on fox hunting must be up there.

Yes I was trying to do that as apparently the Tories are not consumed by Brexit at all, they are doing so much other good stuff. But somehow all we get is the will of the people BS

 

[pastafarian]

Come on, someone can do better than that....

P.S Capital B for Brexit if you still believe in Britain.

Big Brexit, small brexit, its all the same b(B)rexit to me
Brexit means brexit

I think the question was really about greatest achievements away from Brexit. The u-turn on fox hunting must be up there.

Was it? Cool
Best ask her then.Prob a question best served on a non brexit political thread then, and I thought these sort of questions were generally answered at the end of a PM tenure anyway, you know in legacy terms.
The PM that delivered Brexit has a nice legendary ring to it.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

remainers are so funny!

the question is, remaining in what
regards
DR