[Politics] Brexit

[pastafarian]

Well yes, Trump and Bannon and the rest of the Breitbart lunatics certainly thought we were being a very shining beacon but they don't have to live with the consequences. Putin was pretty keen on it too. Foreigners eh?

I Imagined you were probably too thick to understand that Americans can understand the concept of democracy, and here you are with your bigotry, quite a few of my yank family and chums voted for Hilary, yet still understood we made a monumental brilliant democratic choice to Leave. After all,not one of them would be willing to subject the USA to joining the political union we are leaving, the idea their supreme court would no longer be supreme made them howl with laughter, as did the concept of laws being made abroad without congress.
Foreigners eh......who understand democracy.........shame you dont get it

 

[CHAPPERS]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...llions-in-eu-funding-if-no-brexit-deal-agreed

UK companies and NGOs working in development and aid are being formally instructed by Brussels that they will lose hundreds of millions in EU funding after Brexit in the event of a ‘no deal’ scenario.

A leaked EU document obtained by the Guardian reveals that UK-registered applicants for grants and contracts with the European commission are to be issued with a legal “disclaimer” from this month.

The EU’s executive branch warns organisations that unless a withdrawal agreement is agreed by 29 March 2019, UK registered entities who are successful in winning contracts, grants or prizes “will cease to receive funding”, in what is the latest evidence of the bloc’s preparations should there be a failure to strike a deal.

Those seeking contracts with the commission, across seven major programmes worth billions of pounds, are also being instructed if a procurement process runs beyond Brexit day that their application will be rejected outright, and will have no recourse to recoup funds spent during the process.

Between 2012 and 2016, €1.2bn (£1.06bn) was paid by the EU to UK development and aid organisations for their work on behalf of Brussels across the world.

Contracts and grants worth €356.9m (£315.4m) were awarded to UK organisations in 2016.

A recent report for Bond, the lobby group for the development sector, had already suggested that as a consequence of concerns over the future many such organisations were “actively considering, and others have already set out to, establish offices in other European countries, with Ireland as a favourite”.

The Guardian’s revelation comes in the wake of the European commission’s rejection of claims that it was discriminating against the UK while it was still a member.

The EU was responding to a leaked letter from David Davis to Theresa May in which the Brexit secretary complained that British economic interests were being damaged by the EU’s preparations for a scenario in which an agreement on terms of withdrawal and a transition period was not found.

The Financial Times reported that Davis had reacted to the decision by EU regulators to issue a series of warning memos to a number of industries, including pharma, fisheries, aviation and transport, about the consequences of the UK becoming a ”third country” on 30 March 2019.

Davis said the warnings would encourage UK-based entities to move elsewhere in Europe. The commission, in response, said it was “surprised that the UK is surprised that we are preparing for a scenario announced by the UK government itself”.

The prime minister has repeatedly claimed that “no deal is better than a bad deal”.

The UK’s development sector is the second largest recipient of EU funding through grants and commercial contracts and its size gave it a powerful voice in shaping the direction of the bloc’s development policies. The most-funded sectors in 2016 were democracy and human rights, migration and food security.

The EU document, drafted on 20 December, explains, however, that while “the management of EU funds will depend both on the outcome of the ongoing negotiations” and the current rules on non-EU states participating in programmes, the bloc needed to take legal steps to ensure organisations in the UK understand the risks facing them.

The document says: “The commission must inform applicants, originating from or established in the UK, wishing to take part in EU grants and prizes award procedures that if there is no agreement concluded between the UK and the European Union ensuring that UK applicants continue to be eligible, these applicants will cease to receive funding.”

EU contracts and proposals for tender have been modified to include a disclaimer informing companies and NGOs that “if the United Kingdom withdraws from the EU during the grant period without concluding an agreement with the EU ensuring in particular that British applicants continue to be eligible, you will cease to receive EU funding (while continuing, where possible, to participate) or be required to leave the project”.

Those already contracted to carry out EU work will not have their contracts terminated, although “modifications” may need to be made, the document adds.

 

[vegster]

I Imagined you were probably too thick to understand that Americans can understand the concept of democracy, and here you are with your bigotry, quite a few of my yank family and chums voted for Hilary, yet still understood we made a monumental brilliant democratic choice to Leave. After all,not one of them would be willing to subject the USA to joining the political union we are leaving, the idea their supreme court would no longer be supreme made them howl with laughter, as did the concept of laws being made abroad without congress.
Foreigners eh......who understand democracy.........shame you dont get it

Amazing that you don't see your irony... The United States is a collection of if individual countries virtually which have their own individual laws which differ from state to state but with overarching laws that apply to all states.
Of course, this is all overseen by the Supreme Court which could order any state to obey or change a law. However, in practice this is not usually enforced... Not a lot dissimilar to the EU and the ECJ when you see all the opt outs we have been granted.

 

[pastafarian]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...llions-in-eu-funding-if-no-brexit-deal-agreed

Interesting
Considering that the article is based solely on a No Deal scenario happening and talks have progressed beyond phase one and now into phase two, with every single commentator suggesting the outcome of a "no deal" is highly unlikely, do you really think a no deal is actually on the cards?

I doubt you do.......but lets post the article anyway.......project fear must continue at all costs.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Interesting
Considering that the article is based solely on a No Deal scenario happening and talks have progressed beyond phase one and now into phase two, with every single commentator suggesting the outcome of a "no deal" is highly unlikely, do you really think a no deal is actually on the cards?

I doubt you do.......but lets post the article anyway.......project fear must continue at all costs.

To quote your goodself “we won’t know the final deal until the final deal”

So, you tell me.

 

[pastafarian]

Amazing that you don't see your irony... The United States is a collection of if individual countries virtually which have their own individual laws which differ from state to state but with overarching laws that apply to all states.
Of course, this is all overseen by the Supreme Court which could order any state to obey or change a law. However, in practice this is not usually enforced... Not a lot dissimilar to the EU and the ECJ when you see all the opt outs we have been granted.

You tell a yank that their Supreme court would have to give up primacy to the ECJ if they joined the EU.
Let me know how keen they are about joining that wonderful club after the laughter has subsided.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Interesting
Considering that the article is based solely on a No Deal scenario happening and talks have progressed beyond phase one and now into phase two, with every single commentator suggesting the outcome of a "no deal" is highly unlikely, do you really think a no deal is actually on the cards?

I doubt you do.......but lets post the article anyway.......project fear must continue at all costs.

It called Project Reality nowadays

 

[nicko31]

Interesting
Considering that the article is based solely on a No Deal scenario happening and talks have progressed beyond phase one and now into phase two, with every single commentator suggesting the outcome of a "no deal" is highly unlikely, do you really think a no deal is actually on the cards?

I doubt you do.......but lets post the article anyway.......project fear must continue at all costs.

I think there will be a deal, but not the delusional one the Brexiteers think is possible. Do you think anyone else is likely to be behind us when we finally walk the plank?

 

[beorhthelm]

Not a lot dissimilar to the EU and the ECJ when you see all the opt outs we have been granted.

US have a overarching constitution and common legal system, federal system is built ground up by consensus. thats quite far removed from a top down, fudged conjoining of different legal systems with no founding constitution. this is probably the root of the problem.

 

[vegster]

Amazing that you don't see your irony... The United States is a collection of if individual countries virtually which have their own individual laws which differ from state to state but with overarching laws that apply to all states.
Of course, this is all overseen by the Supreme Court which could order any state to obey or change a law. However, in practice this is not usually enforced... Not a lot dissimilar to the EU and the ECJ when you see all the opt outs we have been granted.[/QUOTE

You tell a yank that their Supreme court would have to give up primacy to the ECJ if they joined the EU.
Let me know how keen they are about joining that wonderful club after the laughter has subsided.

So don't see the irony of a United States Army? A supreme national security organisation? States electing representatives and senators to a national " parliament " to oversea the running of the whole United States.. Much in the manner of a European Parliament?... Oh the irony!

 

[pastafarian]

To quote your goodself “we won’t know the final deal until the final deal”

So, you tell me.

Thats right we wont know until an agreement is reached
But, are you another one who is in the minority and thinks a no deal scenario is still on the cards ? Do you really believe there will not be a withdrawal agreement?

 

[pastafarian]

So don't see the irony of a United States Army? A supreme national security organisation? States electing representatives and senators to a national " parliament " to oversea the running of the whole United States.. Much in the manner of a European Parliament?... Oh the irony!

WTF you on about.
The question was posed, would you want the US to join the club and your supreme court would no longer be supreme and would instead be under the primacy of the ECJ
The answer is they laughed their tits off at the stupidity of the idea

 

[CHAPPERS]

Interesting
Considering that the article is based solely on a No Deal scenario happening and talks have progressed beyond phase one and now into phase two, with every single commentator suggesting the outcome of a "no deal" is highly unlikely, do you really think a no deal is actually on the cards?

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Well there's this

Theresa May is facing a backlash from leading Eurosceptic MPs after rowing back on plans to put a ‘no deal’ minister into the Cabinet at the 11th hour.

The Prime Minister is understood to have promised Brexiteers several months ago that a minister in charge of preparing for leaving the European Union without a trade deal would be given the right to attend Cabinet.

The plans, which were disclosed in Monday’s Daily Telegraph, were in place as late as Sunday and then were dropped on Monday as Mrs May’s plans to reshuffle her Cabinet unravelled.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Thats right we wont know until an agreement is reached
But, are you another one who is in the minority and thinks a no deal scenario is still on the cards ? Do you really believe there will not be a withdrawal agreement?

I think a no deal outcome will only happen if you really are stupid, don’t give a **** about people and weak leadership allows the more poisonous and self-serving Tories (and their DUP nutters friends are bunged enough) to run this show. Do I think think the government is weak and the cabinet has self-serving poisonous Tories ? Yes.

 

[pastafarian]

Well there's this

One article of a no deal minister NOT being appointed doesnt change your viewpoint does it?Surely you are not that easily persuaded.
The sme question stands........Do you really think a no deal scenario is still on the cards?

 

[CHAPPERS]

One article of a no deal minister NOT being appointed doesnt change your viewpoint does it?Surely you are not that easily persuaded.
The sme question stands........Do you really think a no deal scenario is still on the cards?

https://www.ft.com/content/7306b972-f49a-11e7-88f7-5465a6ce1a00
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...intment-hard-brexiteers-warning-a8147646.html

The no deal minister was clearly discussed.

 

[vegster]

WTF you on about.
The question was posed, would you want the US to join the club and your supreme court would no longer be supreme and would instead be under the primacy of the ECJ
The answer is they laughed their tits off at the stupidity of the idea

So then when an elected Senator or appointed judge from say, Alabama has the casting vote on a decision that massively affects the state of say, Alaska. You don't see the irony?

 

[Two Professors]

when you come back into the country and there is a quick filtering line of british passport holders only,make sure you are the knob that joins the long queue of EU passport holders

Rodney Tubthumper!

 

[Titanic]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42633502

UK manufacturing output is expanding at its fastest rate since early 2008 after recording a seventh consecutive month of growth in November.

Renewable energy projects, boats, aeroplanes and cars for export helped make output 3.9% higher in the three months to November than in 2016.

Official figures also show industrial output rose by 0.4% in November.

#despiteBrExit

 

[vegster]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42633502

UK manufacturing output is expanding at its fastest rate since early 2008 after recording a seventh consecutive month of growth in November.

Renewable energy projects, boats, aeroplanes and cars for export helped make output 3.9% higher in the three months to November than in 2016.

Official figures also show industrial output rose by 0.4% in November.

#despiteBrExit

Deckchairs, Titanic.