Brentford stop taking the knee.

[drew]

Ah I wrote my reply above before seeing your comment! Hell yeh! Breeds anxiety, toxicity and is fake and largely used regularly by fake people trying to lie about their lives and sharing pointless information for false replies and likes and it’s also a thing for nosey gossips - ban it all - mainstream, I don’t count NSC etc...!

But why do you think you can decide NSC is ok and other forms of social media aren't? Because some people abuse the freedoms you penalise everyone that doesn't. You might as well ban alcohol because a minority of people that drink become alcholics, or gambling because a minority lose control and become additcts.

 

[Weststander]

You missed out the thread merge at the start

Thank Christ for that, thank you Mods. Grandstanding NSC’ers seem to be setting up a couple of ‘Taking The Knee’ threads a day. Getting dull.

 

[chaileyjem]

The full interview is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzYz5yzXCIo
He argues in interview that there should be more diverse education/curriculum that reflect the history of black people in the UK, stronger fines/penalties for racism, outlines the racism and abuse he puts up with, despairs at the racist hate of kids/parents and argues for real change with social media companies and the Premier League.

 

[drew]

The UK labour force wasn’t as cheap or as plentiful as the African labour force. Of course, racism was rife in this period and this enabled a collective turning of a blind eye to the atrocities of slavery but it is a stretch to claim it was some form of ethnic cleansing. Where I might agree with you is that some in the church may have seen it that way. Anyway, we digress. I support the taking of the knee if people want to do it and think I see it for what it is, which is a statement. Any players who wish to continue will do so. I am also of the view that it won’t change anything and may actually become a convenient alternative to actually doing something. It is also becoming just another political football for some to score points against their adversaries on other issues (evidence on this thread).

Have to agree. Think taking the knee will become as meaningless as the respect handshake (although, obviously, the pandemic has rendered that temporarily out of bounds). The moment the whistle goes, all bets are off. What will make a change are stiffer penalties for those that transgress whether that be fans, clubs that don't take adequate action and the same for associations that don't take action.

 

[sydney]

According to Rod Liddle's column in the Sunday Times Wilfried Zaha has said he finds being cajoled into taking a knee before matches "degrading". He has also objected to wearing T-shirts supportive of Black Lives Matter. He is fed up of "charades that mean nothing" believing that the kneeling business is simply a kind of virtue signalling. He also refuses to put his name to BLM campaigns. Apparently Zaha is not alone among players who feel uneasy about the whole knee business.

Well said Wilfried. We need more players to speak out against this nonsense, particularly black players..

because he wasn't brought up in Chicago , New York or L.A where BLM has it's real roots ......fair play to him.

 

[Guinness Boy]

The full interview is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzYz5yzXCIo
He argues in interview that there should be more diverse education/curriculum that reflect the history of black people in the UK, stronger fines/penalties for racism, outlines the racism and abuse he puts up with, despairs at the racist hate of kids/parents and argues for real change with social media companies and the Premier League.

Yep, and if we look back to the QPR / Millwall / I can't believe they changed the player names iterations of this tiresome, oft repeated thread, [MENTION=30583]RossyG[/MENTION] will find the above is pretty much what I put on one of those (though highlighting the abuse the mixed race side of my family has to put up with rather than my own).

By all means stop taking the knee but replace it with stronger, direct affirmative action. Not because gammons muttering on about a couple of Marxist infiltrators are put off their pre-match beer.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

“Virtue Signalling” is the new trope from people who used to like saying “it’s political correctness gone mad”

Some of the same people, I’m willing to bet, who plaster their Facebook pages with Lest We Forget, Poppies and Union Jacks etc.

 

[RossyG]

Some of the same people, I’m willing to bet, who plaster their Facebook pages with Lest We Forget, Poppies and Union Jacks etc.

Wouldn’t happen in Germany.

 

[GT49er]

Isn't Zaha the captain of Palace? Hasn't he been able to have this conversation with his team mates? Or is he the only one at Palace that feels like this?

Perhaps they're not ready for the opprobrium and nasty aspersions they'll get if they break ranks and stop doing it?

 

[Sheebo]

But why do you think you can decide NSC is ok and other forms of social media aren't? Because some people abuse the freedoms you penalise everyone that doesn't. You might as well ban alcohol because a minority of people that drink become alcholics, or gambling because a minority lose control and become additcts.

Mainstream social media is what I refer to as social media. I think there’s more bad then good that comes out of Facebook so would bin the ****er off. It’s false, fake, abusive, argumentative, time wasting... ah shit I’ve just described NSC

I get your point and have no issue with ‘normal’ users of Facebook - like most of my friends and even my mum... but I have a very deep hatred of the website and what people use it for and that won’t change I’m afraid. Literally a cringefest of falseness - hun this hun that - I’m writing this purely for attention or ‘likes’ - yuk yuk yuk!

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Actually look across any football messageboard and you’ll find it’s the category 3 mob promoting these threads and the category 1 wearily having to respond by defending the players taking part. Pretty clear who has the agenda here pal

Oddly aggressive post. I’m not your ‘pal.’

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

“Virtue Signalling” is the new trope from people who used to like saying “it’s political correctness gone mad”

That’s a whole different subject ! I don’t agree anyway. Virtue signaling is what we as humans do. We all like to come across well. Some take it to new heights and attach themselves to every perceived (by the majority) good cause, that’s all. It can be painful when someone else points it out. The relevance to ‘taking the knee’ is that it is an easy gesture that creates a feel good ‘virtue signal.’ Clearly that is not true of all who do it though. It is a symbol that has real meaning to many people and they should be respected.

 

[Pint of Ale and a Burger]

If zaha doesn't agree with it then why is he doing it?
I wonder if his words have been misenterpreted but if not just stay standing if he finds it degrading.
If people want to kneel they can kneel and if they want to stand them they can stand.
It's not a problem.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

That’s a whole different subject ! I don’t agree anyway. Virtue signaling is what we as humans do. We all like to come across well. Some take it to new heights and attach themselves to every perceived (by the majority) good cause, that’s all. It can be painful when someone else points it out. The relevance to ‘taking the knee’ is that it is an easy gesture that creates a feel good ‘virtue signal.’ Clearly that is not true of all who do it though. It is a symbol that has real meaning to many people and they should be respected.

Different sides of the same coin IMO. “Virtue signalling’ is a lazy of way of attempting to frame any assertion of a moral or political principle as an act of narcissism, in other words, you attack the person and not the ideal.

 

[Chicken Run]

But why do you think you can decide NSC is ok and other forms of social media aren't? Because some people abuse the freedoms you penalise everyone that doesn't. You might as well ban alcohol because a minority of people that drink become alcholics, or gambling because a minority lose control and become additcts.

My old dad advised not discussing politics and religion at dinner parties, if both those subjects were banned from NSC, do you think it would be a much calmer virtual space with less squabbles?

 

[drew]

Mainstream social media is what I refer to as social media. I think there’s more bad then good that comes out of Facebook so would bin the ****er off. It’s false, fake, abusive, argumentative, time wasting... ah shit I’ve just described NSC

I get your point and have no issue with ‘normal’ users of Facebook - like most of my friends and even my mum... but I have a very deep hatred of the website and what people use it for and that won’t change I’m afraid. Literally a cringefest of falseness - hun this hun that - I’m writing this purely for attention or ‘likes’ - yuk yuk yuk!

I agree that there are attention seekers, but I leave that up to them. My posts are purely for my friends and I don't have a massive circle because I don't accept every friend invite nor do I send them out. I use it to keep in touch with extended family, and have recently hooked up again with childhood friend not residing on the other side of the planet.

What I don't like about FB and it's cohorts are the use of algorithms to decide what might appear on your screen.

 

[Sheebo]

I agree that there are attention seekers, but I leave that up to them. My posts are purely for my friends and I don't have a massive circle because I don't accept every friend invite nor do I send them out. I use it to keep in touch with extended family, and have recently hooked up again with childhood friend not residing on the other side of the planet.

What I don't like about FB and it's cohorts are the use of algorithms to decide what might appear on your screen.

Yes, if it was all like that and I could use it like you do I would. Unfortunately, I feel I’d read too much into things - ‘why haven’t they accepted my friend request?’ Etc and not good for anxiety. But I also hate how others use it. Don’t get me wrong, saying I hate Facebook isn’t aimed at the likes of you or my Mrs or most of my friends who use it ‘properly’. It’s a personal thing of mine too from past experiences (and I’ve never had a FB accoubt.) Going into work and being asked how X Y and Z is or being told about something I did at the weekend (which is private) and then realising it’s come from people posting their lives on Facebook used to be quite un-nerving - like literally boring shit and I’d be like ‘how the hell do you know that... ah Facebook’

Also a lot of the people who put pics up of themselves look NOTHING LIKE they do in the pics - another little gripe of the Facebook generation world we live in!

I’m did once have a David Brent tinder moment when meeting up with a girl in Eastbourne ‘nah that’s not her’ I said to my mate when he told me it was... turns out it was her...

 

[Hugo Rune]

The full interview is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzYz5yzXCIo
He argues in interview that there should be more diverse education/curriculum that reflect the history of black people in the UK, stronger fines/penalties for racism, outlines the racism and abuse he puts up with, despairs at the racist hate of kids/parents and argues for real change with social media companies and the Premier League.

I wonder why the OP left out those bits?

 

[NooBHA]

The UK labour force wasn’t as cheap or as plentiful as the African labour force. .

Well it wasn't as if either of them sent in their CV to apply for the position

 

[London Irish]

Oddly aggressive post. I’m not your ‘pal.’

Fair enough, I apologise for that tone. But my point stands, it is incredibly tiresome seeing this debate constantly promoted across multiple messageboards by people who never supported it to begin with. Let the individuals players and clubs decide when they think the time is right for them to stop, it's their choice. They don't need advice from the Daily Mail cliche crew who think trying to bring about any positive change in society is always "virtue signalling" (translation, caring about other people).