Brentford stop taking the knee.

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Trouble is, Harry, it isn't sufficient - or even useful. While pissing off a few racists might indeed be seen as satisfying in a shallow way, it ain't going to change their minds. Whether or not it is just a token gesture, that's how they will see it; irritating, but ultimately just something to make them more intransigent.
Kick it out, and more rigorous enforcement of the law combined with education is far more relevant and important. Let's be honest - how many players now taking the knee are doing it for fear of being flamed if they don't - not because they're racist (though some of them probably are) but because it has had its day. The comparison with clap for the NHS on a Thursday night is very apposite; itwas a good idea, and made its point very clearly ........ at the time.

I agree that taking the knee has failed becuase it hasn't cured racism. But that isn't the point. I don't think that anything will stop genuine racists being racist. All we can do is shut them up and prosecute where possible. However being repeatedly reminded they are racist and that the rest of us won't accept this is good. The thickies who don't know they are acting racist may start to think, too.

Any player doing it only because they don't want to be flamed deserves to be flamed.

The comparison with clapping the NHS is wrong and, actually, bad. People who work in the NHS choose to do so, they weren't born NHS. They are also all paid to work in the NHS with the majority of the funds coming from our taxes. Clapping the NHS to thank them for continuing to work during Covid, has nothing in common with repeatedly signaling a non-acceptance of racism. If black people choose to be black and are paid to be black on behalf of the nation the analogy may have more traction.

If a club has decided to protest at the lack of meaningful action against racism by supporting their players in refusing to take the knee I find this rather peculiar. Its a bit like Catholics refusing to 'cross' themselves or say grace before a meal as a protest against religious intolerance.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I really don't know what they are kneeling about.

Black Lives Matter. Which part of this are you struggling with?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

It is getting worse. You truly believe the Agenda that Slavery is not race related simply because there has been black on black or white in white slavery through the course of History.

No one denies that such things happened. But in Africa when Blacks enslaved other Blacks they did not enslave them due to the colour of their Skin. When the Romans pes say enslaved other nations. They did so because they conquered them through war.

When the British and Americans and Spanish etc enslaved people it was done Racially and if you are in denial over this then I can't help you.

I think you need to google the East India Company. It was entirely about economics.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

The Football League's should insist on it. And those teams who don't want to do it should go and play somewhere else.

It is a symbol that the Club's are committed in the fight against Racism and if you're not for it then you are against it. That's the reality of the facts.

So black players who feel 'degraded' into taking the knee (Zaha's words, not mine) should be FORCED into doing something they don't agree with?

Forcing someone to do something against their will, dangerous stuff.

 

[RossyG]

It doesn’t necessarily help the cause, but equally I don’t think it detracts from the message. But, the idea that Gammons are furiously seething on their sofas is very much a welcome, but unintended, bonus! Win win eh?

Not if it’s the “gammons” you want to win over. And not if that becomes the sole raisin d’etre of the exercise. It totally distracts from the message.

As I said earlier, middle class meddlers make things worse, not better.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

It doesn’t necessarily help the cause, but equally I don’t think it detracts from the message. But, the idea that Gammons are furiously seething on their sofas is very much a welcome, but unintended, bonus! Win win eh?

What do you say in response to Lyle Taylor?

https://www.sportbible.com/football...t-black-lives-matter-and-taking-knee-20210110

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Paediatrician....I can see what you’ve done there

I shit you not but the case below is not unique:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...te-mob-attacks-home-paediatrician-710864.html

 

[RossyG]

Black Lives Matter. Which part of this are you struggling with?

The part where BadFish employs irony?

 

[GT49er]

I agree that taking the knee has failed becuase it hasn't cured racism. But that isn't the point. I don't think that anything will stop genuine racists being racist.All we can do is shut them up and prosecute where possible. However being repeatedly reminded they are racist and that the rest of us won't accept this is good. The thickies who don't know they are acting racist may start to think, too.

Any player doing it only because they don't want to be flamed deserves to be flamed.

The comparison with clapping the NHS is wrong and, actually, bad. People who work in the NHS choose to do so, they weren't born NHS. They are also all paid to work in the NHS with the majority of the funds coming from our taxes. Clapping the NHS to thank them for continuing to work during Covid, has nothing in common with repeatedly signaling a non-acceptance of racism. If black people choose to be black and are paid to be black on behalf of the nation the analogy may have more traction.

If a club has decided to protest at the lack of meaningful action against racism by supporting their players in refusing to take the knee I find this rather peculiar. Its a bit like Catholics refusing to 'cross' themselves or say grace before a meal as a protest against religious intolerance.

Agree up to and including "shut them up and prosecute where possible" - after that we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[sydney]

https://www.irishpost.com/news/irel...-six-nations-tie-with-france-in-dublin-203782

THE ENTIRE Ireland rugby team once again decided not to take a knee before their Six Nations clash with France at the Aviva Stadium in Dublin.

well with the shit the irish have had off the establishment over the years i think you could understand that ...!

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

What do you say in response to Lyle Taylor?

https://www.sportbible.com/football...t-black-lives-matter-and-taking-knee-20210110

A lot of people do not want to hear it. Gesture politics give a feel good factor that many value over and above outcomes

 

[BadFish]

Black Lives Matter. Which part of this are you struggling with?

All lives matter. I am just saying that he is right, if they all just stopped going on about it it would all stop.

The only reason that people are getting abused is because middle-class white people are upsetting the racists. You don't poke your willy into a hornet's nest do you? So don't make racist people watching people kneeling before the blinking footy. That 10 seconds is bound to rile them up.

Like Chairty Shield says if we all just ignore it, then it will go away. Well, it will go away from us anyway.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

What do you say in response to Lyle Taylor?

https://www.sportbible.com/football...t-black-lives-matter-and-taking-knee-20210110

My first response is to ask what is “scandalous” about the BLM “organisation”. I’d also ask what he means by organisation...I see it more as a cause or a movement, less an organisation. So there you go, that’s my first response.

 

[Yes Chef]

I really don't know what they are kneeling about. This racism lark is just manufactured by the media (bloody lefty, woke, hand wringing, dogooders). Its all just a load of fuss about nothing.

And now they are wasting my time making me watch them kneel before the footy. Literally 10 seconds of my life I won't get back . . . once, even twice a week. They should stop moaning about it, like the children.

What do you say in response to Lyle Taylor?

https://www.sportbible.com/football...t-black-lives-matter-and-taking-knee-20210110

What organisation is he talking about?

 

[sydney]

Black Lives Matter. Which part of this are you struggling with?

calm down for **** sake ........if you would care to broaden your horizon a tad BLM is an AMERICAN entity , it is about black American males being wiped out by an over zealous , self important , out of control , American justice industry .........players kneeling before a football game in England is doing absolutely sweet fa to change anything that goes on between black American males and their over zealous police officers......it is an American problem and needs to be sorted out in America ...it may well have escaped your attention that Britain was booming 4 years ago , what has actually happened in Britain to change that fact , apart from covid , you had Trump voted in in America ....an idiot , You had Johnson voted in in Britain , another whopper , black and white people have been getting on reasonably well over the last 15 years , we were all moving forward and the country was prospering at grass roots level ......well we cant have that can we , the ***** in charge want us in the gutter , regardless of colour , religion or sexual orientation ......wake the **** up mate , this is not about us , its about the ******** who are trying to control us .....and hopefully they are losing.

 

[Swansman]

What do you say in response to Lyle Taylor?

https://www.sportbible.com/football...t-black-lives-matter-and-taking-knee-20210110

Who cares what he says, he is not a white middle class retirement age bloke. According to a bunch of those, Taylor + a bunch of other black players are racist (and its apparently "not debatable" - either you take the knee or you hate black people). After all, its "black lives matters", not "black opinions" - they will have to become so called progressive white academics (or teenage girls) before that could happen.

It looks to me as if those most dogmatic in their "pro-knee" stances seemingly dont give a shit regardless of how many black athletes that are brave enough to commit some kind of Instagram-suicide by stepping forward and saying "this PR nonsense makes no ****ing difference and is just some watered bollocks at this point". A certain sentiment regardless of this keeps banging the "you're racist if you are not pro-knee" drum hard and loud for God knows what reason, maybe they overslept the 1968 movements or said the N-word at some point in the 1980s and got this irretractable urge to compensate for it.

 

[sydney]

All lives matter. I am just saying that he is right, if they all just stopped going on about it it would all stop.

The only reason that people are getting abused is because middle-class white people are upsetting the racists. You don't poke your willy into a hornet's nest do you? So don't make racist people watching people kneeling before the blinking footy. That 10 seconds is bound to rile them up.

Like Chairty Shield says if we all just ignore it, then it will go away. Well, it will go away from us anyway.

it's a wind up mate .....it diverts us away from the fact that the people in charge are getting very close to losing control , they are winging it , we have a journalist with a degree in fine arts running the UK for **** sake ........ding aling ling wakey wakey ...if boris is running the gaff im a tea towel holder.

 

[BadFish]

What organisation is he talking about?

Black Lives Matter have copyrighted any and all things that matter. You cannot say anything matters anymore without fully subscribing to any and all view of the Black Lives Matter organisation. Importantly when considering if things matter it is vital that no-one concedes that all things matter. One may assume that there could be a hierarchy of things mattering but this really doesn't hold true. It was Buddy Holly who first suggested that things no longer matter but the scientists have heavily disputed this, especially physicists from space. The space physicists have proven that matter matters and have described this as the crickets paradox. Thus proving that All things (which include lives) matter. This is why the BLM organisation have had to buy the copyright using the donations of democrats from all corners of the globe.

 

[BadFish]

it's a wind up mate .....it diverts us away from the fact that the people in charge are getting very close to losing control , they are winging it , we have a journalist with a degree in fine arts running the UK for **** sake ........ding aling ling wakey wakey ...if boris is running the gaff im a tea towel holder.

Are you one of those ones from the 70's that was modelled on a cats arse?

https://www.amazon.com/Cat-Tea-Towel-Holder-White/dp/B0014IYO0Y

 

[sydney]

Are you one of those ones from the 70's that was modelled on a cats arse?

https://www.amazon.com/Cat-Tea-Towel-Holder-White/dp/B0014IYO0Y

ill take that from you ....