Withdean South Stand
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Burnley with Trafford in nets was 100% awful finishing as much as it was the keeper making the saves. We have been very poor at finishing in the PL era.
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[Albion] Bart Verbruggen SINGS a 5-year deal
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Garry Nelson's Left Foot
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It does seem like keepers have blinders against us far more often than ours do against other teams. I think that's partly because, apart from the two Hughton seasons, we've tended to dominate games and therefore give away less chances.
I have a memory like a sieve so I can't say off the top of my head any particular game where our keeper has had a worldy and won us points but I'm fairly sure Ryan had a few games where he made very important and big saves - I have games away games against Stoke and Southampton floating around my head but can't recall the specifics.
Likewise when Sanchez first came into the team it was like a breath of fresh air as he started making saves that Ryan couldn't so I'm sure he had games where he won us points - especially in the first year or so after he broke into the team.
In terms of Ver Bruggen's performance against the geordies I'd say it was excellent but not because he made a string of world class saves(he didn't) but because he didn't put a foot wrong in a game when we were under a lot of pressure. It was exactly the kind of performance you want from your keeper.
Nobby Cybergoat
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Agree with all that. And that corner claim at the end was a wonderful moment which is possibly shaping my view
Greg Bobkin
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Or maybe not being thrown in at the deep end as the main man from the start actually helped breed the confidence that he's now showing?
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Rushworth is actually older than Verbruggen. I wonder if he'll end up being sold without a first team appearance.
Justice
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He was/is the Dutch no.1 what was the deep end? I guess it’s a question we will never know the answer to.Or maybe not being thrown in at the deep end as the main man from the start actually helped breed the confidence that he's now showing?
Greg Bobkin
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New league, young keeper and lots of pressure with possession-based DeZerbi ball. Playing every week *could* have got to him. He definitely made a few mistakes that led to goals over the course of the season from Fannying Around At The Back(TM).
But yes - we'll never know.
We'll never know, but I strongly suspect that if he's got the mentality to make it as a top level goal keeper (and I think he has) then he would have coped and probably would have benefited more from playing than sitting on his arse.
Garry Nelson's Left Foot
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There were shades of Sanchez against Liverpool about it.
Not saying Bart didn't do well but a top striker should have scored.
sussex_guy2k2
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Right, but those saves aren’t the type of blinding saves that make highlight reels. They’re the one on ones from people getting in behind us. Many of the other saves, as others have pointed out, are pretty standard saves at this level. But that keeper needs to be switched on enough, and have good enough positioning to make them seem like regulation stops.
Ultimately, we’re conceding very few chances this year - our keeper(s) aren’t actually being called on that much.
Greg Bobkin
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I'm sure RDZ will spill the beans one day about his decision to do it.
Outstanding at Anfield, a series of quality saves with great positioning to start off with making them look deceptively routine. Salah’s clipped finish would’ve slipped past almost every goalie, great reactions.
Shropshire Seagull
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I noticed something in Bart's technique at Anfield today. I'm not a goalkeeping coach so it would be unwise of me to call it a flaw.
In the first half he made an outstanding save from a right-foot shot (Gatko?) that was high to his left and going in. He used one hand, his left, and was able to push it round the post.
For the Salah goal, it was the mirror opposite. Salah shot with his left, high to Bart's right side. But rather than trying to save with his right arm/hand outstretched, he tried to save it with his left hand.
Now, I reckon this makes his reach about a foot to 10 inches less. Try it yourself. Stretch out you right arm high above your head and out at about 45 degrees. Keeping your right arm out, try with your left hand to see how far up your right arm you can get. I can reach to about my elbow, which is 10-12 inches from my right hand finger tips.
Why does he do this? I think he's left hand dominant and so for the high/stretch saves he will always favour his left. Maybe he doesn't trust his right, or its not as strong as his left, I don't know.
There's no knowing if he would have saved Salah's shot had he reached out with his outstretched right arm/hand. But by only using his left I reckon he puts himself at a disadvantage by at least a foot in reach.
Don't get me wrong, this is not intended to be a critism, he obviously does it for a reason. I'd love to know that reason.
In the first half he made an outstanding save from a right-foot shot (Gatko?) that was high to his left and going in. He used one hand, his left, and was able to push it round the post.
For the Salah goal, it was the mirror opposite. Salah shot with his left, high to Bart's right side. But rather than trying to save with his right arm/hand outstretched, he tried to save it with his left hand.
Now, I reckon this makes his reach about a foot to 10 inches less. Try it yourself. Stretch out you right arm high above your head and out at about 45 degrees. Keeping your right arm out, try with your left hand to see how far up your right arm you can get. I can reach to about my elbow, which is 10-12 inches from my right hand finger tips.
Why does he do this? I think he's left hand dominant and so for the high/stretch saves he will always favour his left. Maybe he doesn't trust his right, or its not as strong as his left, I don't know.
There's no knowing if he would have saved Salah's shot had he reached out with his outstretched right arm/hand. But by only using his left I reckon he puts himself at a disadvantage by at least a foot in reach.
Don't get me wrong, this is not intended to be a critism, he obviously does it for a reason. I'd love to know that reason.
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Ben Roberts.
sussex_guy2k2
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It depends on the height of the shot relative to his dive, no?
The Salah shot was in the top corner. If he goes with his bottom arm (his right), he just looks miles from it.
The earlier save you’re talking about was much lower down, so it makes sense to dive with the lower arm.
Withdean South Stand
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Proper goalkeeper.
Stockdale didn’t turn into a dickhead. He most likely knew he wasn’t going to be 1st choice the next season and having spent most of his career as 2nd choice he chose to move on.
He reminds me of Peter Schmeichel in one on ones. He makes himself so big.