Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

[JCL666]

Well, yes, "I met a miner once", but he told me so many stories of how the striking miners in his part of Yorkshire were making an absolute mint out of the money ordinary people were sending them. Like my Dad, a shop steward who took Mum's housekeeping, leaving her short of money to feed my siblings, just to support the miners who were actually laughing their heads off, according to my ex-miner friend who was in the thick of it all. Frankly, she had to do some of what she did, because the IMF told her to, just like Greece today has to obey the EU in order to receive the loans they need to prevent that country going bankrupt. That's how financially broken Britain was when Thatcher came to power. (And I loathed her, too, actually. For years. Still do. But some of what she did, she had to do.)

They were not making a mint and that IMF stuff is simply not true. Maybe you shouldn't base what you're saying on limited anecdotal evidence. Try some facts.

Read the Ridley plan or read this Economy: Report of Nationalised Industries Policy Group (leaked Ridley report) | Margaret Thatcher Foundation

People predominately in the south believed the propaganda perpetuated by the bbc read these
Shafted: The Media, the Miners' Strike and the Aftermath | General | Times Higher Education
An untold story? Fresh allegations about state manipulation in BBC's reporting of miners' strike - Nicholas Jones


The conservatives deliberately picked a fight, regardless of how necessary anyone thinks it was to take on the unions, the manner it which it was done was a disgrace.
Maybe try visiting somewhere like Blackhall Colliery to see the legacy of economic policy from the 1980s.

 

[South Stand Rebel]

All rather emotive, given that no legitimate claims will be affected. Only the scroungers who get onto a good thing, and never get it taken away when they are no longer in need. Well that is what the intention is. If it stops the people who claim only to be seen playing football etc., than it gets my vote.

"No legitimate claims will be affected"?

People are being sent back to work to die. People are dying because of this policy.

How can the advice of GPs and Specialists be ignored and replaced by a multiple choice test??

Open your eyes to what is happening. I can't believe people still believe the crap being spoken by the Tory party.

The amount of money spent by the state on disability benefits and unemployment benefits is a small fraction of the welfare bill. The vast majority goes on pensions and housing benefit.

Vast amounts of welfare money goes straight to private landlords. Why? because there is no or very little social housing available. Why? because some former recently deceased PM sold off the council housing.

 

[somerset]

because some former recently deceased PM sold off the council housing.

...you do have it in your ranting bonce that a sale requires two parties?... One the government and the other a willing council tenant who sees a good opportunity to create some wealth in the form of a financial legacy to leave their families in the future.

 

[GNF on Tour]

Yeah, why not

Good, as I love history and lest we forget and all that, and whilst it might not be healthy I still get a little wound up about, amongst other things:

She supported the retention of capital punish
She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry
She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
She abolished free milk for schoolchildren
She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration
She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)
She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million
She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands
The poll tax
She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we now import expensive coal from abroad
She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War
She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years
She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS
She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits
Section 28
She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"
She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers
She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population
She opposed the reunification of Germany
She invented Quangos
She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet
She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%
She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession
Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin
Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage
In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions
She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%
21.9% inflation

If we forget this stuff we never learn from it, whatever the way you lean.

 

[Goat lung]

It would be very interesting to see the average age of all the haters that want to "dance on her grave " are on this thread I suspect most were not even born , there is no doubting she was the Iron Lady and didn't get everything right but she inherited a real mess of a country that had been totally ****ed by the far left ,

 

[GNF on Tour]

Edward Heath was not that far left?

I'm 7 and 3/4!

 

[Soulman]

Good, as I love history and lest we forget and all that, and whilst it might not be healthy I still get a little wound up about, amongst other things:

She supported the retention of capital punish
She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry
She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
She abolished free milk for schoolchildren
She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration
She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)
She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million
She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands
The poll tax
She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we now import expensive coal from abroad
She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War
She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years
She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS
She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits
Section 28
She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"
She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers
She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population
She opposed the reunification of Germany
She invented Quangos
She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet
She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%
She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession
Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin
Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage
In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions
She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%
21.9% inflation

If we forget this stuff we never learn from it, whatever the way you lean.

Blimey quite a list. I already commented on your 4th point "She abolished free milk for children".....i'll digest the others...some i do agree with though.
It was Education Minister Edward Short under the Labour government of Harold Wilson who first stopped school milk in 1968. I remember it well as I was the age group (equivalent to current Y9) who lost it. All Mrs Thatcher did in 1979 was extend the removal to the next school years.
Whether that was right or wrong, never forget it was LABOUR who started the trend, and never replaced it in schools. Not during their governments of 74-79 or 97 - 2010.
People seem to forget also the firemans strikes of 1977, who was in power then? labour, so it wasn't just the tories who have screwed this country over

 

[somerset]

Good, as I love history and lest we forget and all that, and whilst it might not be healthy I still get a little wound up about, amongst other things:

She supported the retention of capital punish
She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry
She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
She abolished free milk for schoolchildren
She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration
She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)
She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million
She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands
The poll tax
She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we now import expensive coal from abroad
She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War
She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years
She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS
She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits
Section 28
She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"
She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers
She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population
She opposed the reunification of Germany
She invented Quangos
She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet
She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%
She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession
Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin
Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage
In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions
She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%
21.9% inflation

If we forget this stuff we never learn from it, whatever the way you lean.

Well googled, was it an extract from a SWP blog or similar.?

 

[Soulman]

Well googled, was it an extract from a SWP blog or similar.?

I did think the reply was quick.

 

[Goat lung]

Edward Heath was not that far left?

I'm 7 and 3/4!

I had you down as at least 12 , but then any 7 and3/4 year old can cut and paste

 

[GNF on Tour]

Don't grill me, I made half of it up!

 

[South Stand Rebel]

Yes my ranting bonce tells me that council housing should never have been sold. The wealth that was created by the government should have been spent on building more social housing. Of course they were willing participants, like in the godfather, they were given an offer they couldn't refuse. They bought their properties for a fraction of their worth. A short term fix for the deficit then, that is causing a great deal of problems now.

 

[GNF on Tour]

Well googled, was it an extract from a SWP blog or similar.?

No, it was a short extract from a list of stuff me and my leftie mates have been putting together on a FB page. We are all champagne socialists rather than SWP dirty hand boys (spit).

I never google., I bet you have.
As you were.

 

[GNF on Tour]

I had you down as at least 12 , but then any 7 and3/4 year old can cut and paste

but surely I am allowed to cut and paste when I contributed the original list in the first place !

I'm not 7 and 3/4, I'm actually 14.6.

 

[Doc Lynam]

Good, as I love history and lest we forget and all that, and whilst it might not be healthy I still get a little wound up about, amongst other things:

She supported the retention of capital punish
She destroyed the country's manufacturing industry
She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
She abolished free milk for schoolchildren
She gained support from the National Front in the 1979 election by pandering to the fears of immigration
She gerrymandered local authorities by forcing through council house sales, at the same time preventing councils from spending the money they got for selling houses on building new houses (spending on social housing dropped by 67% in her premiership)
She was responsible for 3.6 million unemployed - the highest figure and the highest proportion of the workforce in history and three times the previous government. Massaging of the figures means that the figure was closer to 5 million
She ignored intelligence about Argentinian preparations for the invasion of the Falkland Islands and scrapped the only Royal Navy presence in the islands
The poll tax
She presided over the closure of 150 coal mines; we now import expensive coal from abroad
She compared her "fight" against the miners to the Falklands War
She privatised state monopolies and created the corporate greed culture that we've been railing against for the last 5 years
She introduced the gradual privatisation of the NHS
She introduced financial deregulation in a way that turned city institutions into avaricious money pits
Section 28
She opposed anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa and described Nelson Mandela as "that grubby little terrorist"
She support the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and sent the SAS to train their soldiers
She allowed the US to bomb Libya in 1986, against the wishes of more than 2/3 of the population
She opposed the reunification of Germany
She invented Quangos
She opposed the indictment of Chile's General Pinochet
She presided over interest rates increasing to 15%
She presided over 2 million manufacturing job losses in the 79-81 recession
Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin
Poverty doubled while she opposed a minimum wage
In the Thatcher years the top 10% of earners received almost 50% of the tax remissions
She increased VAT from 8% to 17.5%
21.9% inflation

If we forget this stuff we never learn from it, whatever the way you lean.

She was also the first modern PM to use the army (SAS) on its own people in the Peterhead riot.

She was also the PM who agreed and brought in the lovely idea into the NHS of performance related targets, brought over from the Vietnam war. She never believed in altruistic behaviour; the NHS was doomed on her watch.

 

[Silk]

All rather emotive, given that no legitimate claims will be affected. Only the scroungers who get onto a good thing, and never get it taken away when they are no longer in need. Well that is what the intention is. If it stops the people who claim only to be seen playing football etc., than it gets my vote.

Eh? I can assure you that genuine claimants can have it taken away, even before the changes. You evidently don't read the papers.

 

[Soulman]

Now announced on the news that we are to be subjected to a state funeral in all but name. Seems like she became part of the establishment in the end.

Waste of taxpayers money.

Apparently Maggie Thatcher had a donor card on her.
She has left Cameron her balls.

 

[clapham_gull]

Section 28
Cecil Parkinson, Alan Clark, David Mellor, Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitkin

Quite agree with the rest but a slight issue with the above. Section 28 was passed under Thatcher but quite a ludicrous law. A myth has built up that it applied to schools but it didn't. It only applied to local authorities. It was never applied and appears in retrospect a PR exercise to appease some bonkers frothing at the mouth Tories in the shires and the Lords. I'm not defending her but I think it highlights a weakness of Thatcher. I doubt she thought about gays for less than ten seconds and just went along with the tide.

I have read she distrusted Archer (as did Tebbit) and his public profile was always much larger than his power. I think he only made it to deputy chairman and was there really because the old dears liked him. Archer was also quite left of Thatcher politically.

Aitken well...... He was kept very much on the back benches under Thatcher. Well documented that he dumped her daughter and was famously the man that made Carol cry...

Only got in the Cabinet under John Major.

 

[Silk]

...you do have it in your ranting bonce that a sale requires two parties?... One the government and the other a willing council tenant who sees a good opportunity to create some wealth in the form of a financial legacy to leave their families in the future.

That's the point though isn't it? A great short term, vote winning tactic, but in the long run an absolute disaster in terms of a huge housing benefit bill and the destruction of social housing stock, particularly in rural areas.

 

[somerset]

No, it was a short extract from a list of stuff me and my leftie mates have been putting together on a FB page. We are all champagne socialists rather than SWP dirty hand boys (spit).

I never google., I bet you have.
As you were.

A large proportion of which is subjective, lacks context or is factually false. I suggest you do Google, you may get some facts right. I would respond to each point, but sadly I know you will never concede a point even if the truth were laid in your lap.