Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

[seagullsovergrimsby]

@DavidinSouthampton - sorry forgot to mention the stupid Ofsted scores in my post. If @pork pie is really that stupid to judge schools on Ofsted scores then I pity any children he has !

Can you imagine it ? mini pork pies running amok.

 

[Eastleigh Seagull]

Given the various levels of vitriol on this website and others posted in the last 24 hours it seems difficult to imagine that she was the most popular ever post war prime minister and the first to ever win three general elections in a row. All i can say on that is thank god we are governed by a democracy that allows general elections to pick the right pm with the right policies for that time. Could you imagine what a state that we would be in if michael foot or neil kinnock had become leader - god help us all - if he hadnt been banned by them and their marxist pals.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Even by your standards this is utter crap.

What do you want schools to produce? A production line of children who can recite certain 'facts', robots with no creativity or imagination whatsoever?

Teachers become teachers because they have a vocation - they have a deep seated desire to help children to progress, academically, emotionally and socially. They work with real dedication to help each individual child reach their potential - believe it or not, each child is different to all the others, and it takes skill and empathy to help everyone to make good progress.

Education is NOT all about exams! It is, of course, important to prepare children as fully as possible so that they perform as well as they can in these exams, but education has to be enjoyable too. Teaching skills through the 'topics' that you dismiss do flippantly adds relevance to the children's learning, and makes them more likely to be engaged and on task, even if it isn't always about the exams - the necessary skills are embedded, and can be used elsewhere.

Teachers do NOT just 'roll out the same lectures year after year', and to say they do shows that you are entirely ignorant about what goes on in schools. Planning lessons is an extremely time consuming part of the job, and lessons are planned to suit the children's needs - as I said, all children are different and it just would not be possible to teach in the way that you suggest that they do. Assessment for Learning informs planning throughout each school year, and teachers who do not use it efficiently are given training to improve their practice. Teaching is one of the most closely assessed, inspected and observed professions, and performance management is given a high priority.

And this cliched view you have of teachers as beardy lefties who only want to indoctrinate our children is just beyond contempt. Teachers are dedicated professionals from all parts of the political spectrum. Many are becoming more active in defending their profession as Michael Gove tries to take education back into the dark ages; the present government's policies on education are not popular within the profession. Rightly so.

I've been avoiding this thread - I knew that it would make me cross. I wasn't wrong.

Thanks. Saved me saying the same thing only not so well.

 

[Mr Bridger]

we really could have done without the pole tax we had a shit hole of a flat above our business that the landlord done nothing to for decades but we had to fight tooth and nail not to pay as it did not have a kitchen, we served at least three large building sites that closed over night even though the work had not been finished, business rates were jacked up, oh I I would add interest rates through the roof
we managed to keep a roof over our heads ....just but many of our friends who had bought into the buying of their council houses and then lost their jobs, houses, and in two cases their family and in one case his life(he thought that taking an overdose was the way out).
if it had been now I have no doubt that this government would bend over backwards to help small business ....from this I glean that the tories have learned one lesson from those times.........................but most obviousy this is the only one

My word, you really have had a tough life haven't you, how the hell have you managed? No wonder your so bitter.

Any better these days?

 

[HovaGirl]

Odd... I work hard and get by on my own efforts. I loathed her.

You're wrong, get over it.

and as for your "I met a miner once" comment... so ****ing what? You met a person who felt their life had improved. I've met dozens of people who had families torn apart by her policies.

Well, yes, "I met a miner once", but he told me so many stories of how the striking miners in his part of Yorkshire were making an absolute mint out of the money ordinary people were sending them. Like my Dad, a shop steward who took Mum's housekeeping, leaving her short of money to feed my siblings, just to support the miners who were actually laughing their heads off, according to my ex-miner friend who was in the thick of it all. Frankly, she had to do some of what she did, because the IMF told her to, just like Greece today has to obey the EU in order to receive the loans they need to prevent that country going bankrupt. That's how financially broken Britain was when Thatcher came to power. (And I loathed her, too, actually. For years. Still do. But some of what she did, she had to do.)

 

[Lower West Stander]

The Great Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

Well said. I have just posted along the same lines, but forgot to mention I was at school in the 1970's and don't remember a single teacher with a beard, or any who wore sandals or corduroy. Many of them politically were also probably somewhere right of Attila the Hun.

Good teachers, then as now, are responding to a vocation and really care about what they are doing and the children or young people they are doing it for. If not and they are not up to it., a good school will find them out.

Most people who slag off teachers would not last 5 minutes in that very difficult environment themselves..

Interesting point.

My only beef is that as a parent I struggle to reconcile a teacher striking with this sentiment. When my son or daughter is not at school because of a teachers strike, in my mind they are denying my kids the education to which I am an entitled as a taxpayer - but it is them who really suffer.

Personally I think progressive governments have messed around with education so much that the current system is a mess, but striking is not the way to deal with it. March on Downing St lobby MPs do whatever you want - just don't strike. Why should the kids suffer?

 

[franks brother]

Watch Thatcher squirm here...Rust in Hell Iron Lady
The Belgrano - YouTube

 

[Soulman]

Yes and judging by the news feed, those dancing weren't even alive in the 80's.

First thing that sprung to my mind as well.
I was working in Doncaster for 9 months, right in the middle of the miners strike.....i remember it well.
Carry on.

 

[Silk]

Re: The Great Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

Interesting point.

My only beef is that as a parent I struggle to reconcile a teacher striking with this sentiment. When my son or daughter is not at school because of a teachers strike, in my mind they are denying my kids the education to which I am an entitled as a taxpayer - but it is them who really suffer.

Personally I think progressive governments have messed around with education so much that the current system is a mess, but striking is not the way to deal with it. March on Downing St lobby MPs do whatever you want - just don't strike. Why should the kids suffer?

Your views are inconsistent. If the current system genuinely is a mess (and I'm not convinced it is) then a few days away from it will hardly be harmful, will they?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Watch Thatcher squirm here...Rust in Hell Iron Lady
The Belgrano - YouTube

There is a simple answer to that - don't invade another country's land and you don't get your warships sunk !

 

[Silk]

Re: The Great Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

There is a simple answer to that - don't invade another country's land and you don't get your warships sunk !

This. Their blood is on the hands of the Argentine Junta of the time. Not on Thatcher's.

 

[Soulman]

Lets look back at 1979 and the Winter of discontent when we had a Labour Government, rat infested rubbish wasn't being collected and just left in the streets, body's weren't being buried and storage warehouses were having to be used, we had power cuts affecting the whole country, NHS workers blocked Emergency access to Hospital affecting the lives of patients. I was 20 at the time of the winter of discontent and remember it well. Labour failed and broke the country, by 2010 and after another 13yrs of a "Wicked and Malicious "Labour government and we were once again broke and the country on its knees. As for the miners strike you can only blame Scargill who went against the rule book he wrote in calling for a National strike and sent flying mobs to attack other miners who didnt wish to go on strike and wished to follow the Unions own rules. Maggie wasn't perfect but Socialist Labour is the worst form of Government.

LibLabCon are all the same. They're traitors and quislings. They don't care about the people of this country, they care only for power.

 

[El Sid]

8 million quid to bury her!

How many east European migrants could we house with that?

 

[East Preston Gull]

Re: The Great Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

Lets look back at 1979 and the Winter of discontent when we had a Labour Government, rat infested rubbish wasn't being collected and just left in the streets, body's weren't being buried and storage warehouses were having to be used, we had power cuts affecting the whole country, NHS workers blocked Emergency access to Hospital affecting the lives of patients. I was 20 at the time of the winter of discontent and remember it well. Labour failed and broke the country, by 2010 and after another 13yrs of a "Wicked and Malicious "Labour government and we were once again broke and the country on its knees. As for the miners strike you can only blame Scargill who went against the rule book he wrote in calling for a National strike and sent flying mobs to attack other miners who didnt wish to go on strike and wished to follow the Unions own rules. Maggie wasn't perfect but Socialist Labour is the worst form of Government.

LibLabCon are all the same. They're traitors and quislings. They don't care about the people of this country, they care only for power.

This!

 

[GT49er]

The Great Baroness Thatcher - Dead

Sorry, you've got the words in the thread title the wrong way round. Corrected version:

The Baroness Thatcher Dead - Great!

 

[John Bumlick]

have decided to give this one a wide berth but can someone answer a question for me?

does the thread title keep changing?

 

[GT49er]

Given the various levels of vitriol on this website and others posted in the last 24 hours it seems difficult to imagine that she was the most popular ever post war prime minister and the first to ever win three general elections in a row.

She was certainly the most unpopular. Even when she had her biggest majority, barely a third of voters actually wanted her enough to vote for her.

 

[Driver8]

The Great Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

8 million quid to bury her!

Concrete is expensive these days.

 

[GNF on Tour]

Does buying stuff through Amazon support NSC?

 

[Silk]

Re: The Great Baroness Thatcher - Dead / RIP

8 million quid to bury her!

How many east European migrants could we house with that?

If that is true, I wonder how many disabled people will be robbed of their benefits to pay for it? All in it together, eh?