It wouldn't equal zero, as it's per person, and some countries have more people. Times it by the population of each country to start with.
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I am not too sure why you made up your own quote and attributed it to me.
There remains a dominant number of the powerful pro Euro countries that are bound to have the support of their smaller net beneficiaries.
When people talk about 26-1, it's hardly a fair representation of any viable opinion.
Ah yes, fair enough. I stand corrected.
And how bloody difficult was that? They both were desperate and needed each other.
And how bloody difficult was that? They both were desperate and needed each other.
If its 26 or 2 it makes no difference. We will not be one of them.
I think the poster meant dumb, instead of wrong.
Going off at a bit of a tangent but here is an observation. UK based dissenters are often branded as Little Englanders. However, I note that in recent polls quoted over the weekend less than half the French & Germans polled supported their continued membership of the Euro. These people do not seem to be branded in the same way.
Regardless of the economic arguments for or against the EU, I think that people across the continent are beginning to react against the political class. People sense their democratic freedoms being eroded and react accordingly (how many nations offer their people a say over issues directly affecting their sovereignty?).
This process of using pejorative terms for dissenters is precisely the same method used to keep a cork on the immigration debate in this country (i.e. a person wishing to discuss immigration is to be deemed a "racist"). This can only work for so long before people react. I suspect we are nearing some sort of continent wide tipping point. Let's see how the Greek populace takes to continued austerity measures driven by Brussels.
Regardless of the economic arguments for or against the EU, I think that people across the continent are beginning to react against the political class. People sense their democratic freedoms being eroded and react accordingly (how many nations offer their people a say over issues directly affecting their sovereignty?).
This process of using pejorative terms for dissenters is precisely the same method used to keep a cork on the immigration debate in this country (i.e. a person wishing to discuss immigration is to be deemed a "racist"). This can only work for so long before people react. I suspect we are nearing some sort of continent wide tipping point. Let's see how the Greek populace takes to continued austerity measures driven by Brussels.
I assume your tongue is firmly planted in your cheek !!
Two assurances Cameron wanted were safe guards for the city, and for the European Banking Authority to remain in London. He got neither. With respect to the former only an idiot will suggest that the 26 will not strike deals which now favour themselves. The EBA will almost certainly relocate.
Brilliant negotiation skills. f***ing brilliant.
Nope. Few people give a coherent economic justification. It's more "I want the Queen's head on my coin and straight bananas" little England retoric.
Capitulation isn't the same as negotiation ........
OK so now your allocated voters would need to economically coherent.
Hmmmm not sure, so your electorate are to be bankers and other quasi economists.
I am old fashioned, I prefer individuals to have equal voting rights.
In my mind, if you turn up for a meeting wanting something and get fat zero you're a loser. You can dress it up as much as you like but you're a loser. You're trying to save face by suggesting he stood firm. The 26 sent Cameron on his way at the earliest opportunity and got on with business. He was a minor irritant which the EU dealt with quickly and efficiently. How on earth you can suggest anything else is beyond me.
Evidently.
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i'm confused by your position. how is going in to negotiations and agreeing to everything somehow a victory? he did come away with something - no FTT and the status quo for the financial sector. i think he got tucked up and may have made a better job of it, stringing it out a few days, waiting to see who else would fold. but thats not the same as "losing". i think you mis-judging what *might* happen next with what did happen on Friday/Saturday, its two days on and we dont have any idea if the alternative solution, a seperate treaty for the other EU nations to sign up to, will ever happen.At what point do you direct an unwillingness at Merkel and Sarkozy for not offering some understanding to our own stance, after all they have presided over an economic catastrophe, whilst we opted not to be part of their failed project.
They totally ignored economic fault lines, whilst preening themselves and expanding their Euro dream.
I just wish you too, would hold them to account a little more harshly, before lambasting our own position here.
As opposed to your uber modern, appease Europe at any cost ..... got news for you, its been done before
You appear to view things in a very black and white manner; "agreeing to everything," "appease Europe at any cost." I can see why you like the stance Cameron took.