Are conspiracy theories destroying democracy?

[symyjym]

Bush on his first day of office demanded that a way be created to invade Iraq.. And so 9/11 was his reason. Your thoughts?..

This is my last post on this.

1) Yes Iraq was top of the list, this wasn't a secret.

2) 911 took him to Afghanistan not Iraq Which is funny that, when Iraq was his number one ambition.

2) The WMD excuse was the reason he used to go to Iraq

At least get your facts right goldfish brain, you have proved in your very own statement how wishy washy your argument is.

 

[fat old seagull]

I haven't read this particular thread at all. But my view for what it's worth is that it's not always the Conspiracy Theorists that are crazy, but sometimes those that naively believe all the crepe dished out by various governments agencies for not questioning the likely hood or sometimes the strange coincidences of chance that crop up from time to time.

 

[The Truth]

Sorry I meant to quote post number 437 above.

To my appalling memory, I think this is the 4th post I have made on this thread, the first asking if you support BHAFC (to which I don't think you answered, if you did I havnt seen it)

I did respond to your post. Couldn't understand why you needed to ask the question about my fan statues on a conspiracy thread? But nevertheless, you do encourage the sheep to give stick towards the conspiracy theorists, you can't deny this.
I hope you shepherd the herd better in future.

 

[Goldstone76]

This is my last post on this.

1) Yes Iraq was top of the list, this wasn't a secret.

The USA would never have been able to invade Iraq without instilling fear into the West.. and so 9/11 and WMD was invented.

09/18/2002, Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense (before Congress)

"We do know that the Iraqi regime has chemical and biological weapons. His regime has amassed large, clandestine stockpiles of chemical weapons -- including VX, sarin, cyclosarin and mustard gas. ... His regime has amassed large, clandestine stockpiles of biological weapons—including anthrax and botulism toxin, and possibly smallpox." (presentation to Congress)

09/17/2003, George W. Bush, President

Q: Mr. President, Dr. Rice and Secretary Rumsfeld both said yesterday that they have seen no evidence that Iraq had anything to do with September 11th. THE PRESIDENT: "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11th."


2) 911 took him to Afghanistan not Iraq Which is funny that, when Iraq was his number one ambition.

Bush delivered an ultimatum to the Taliban leadership in Afghanistan, demanding that they either hand over Saudi-born dissident Osama bin Laden, or face attack by the United States. The Afghanistan attack began on October 7, 20001 initially in support of the Northern Alliance. Afghanistan came first because the Iraq offensive would take far longer to organise. The reason why Afghanistan was attacked first should be obvious to you. The interest in Afghanistan was sold to the world on the basis of getting Bin Laden but of course its in reality a resource war.. oil, gas and minerals is the long term objective. Afghanistan's mineral wealth is a fact plus geographically its very important. On March 20th 2003 the coalition (USA) launched a missile attack

2) The WMD excuse was the reason he used to go to Iraq

Yes.. 9/11 gave the USA a reason to attack anyone they wanted. In fact 9/11 gave the USA a free run with few questions being asked because how massive 9/11 was. 9/11 needed to be huge to get the initial kneejerk reaction required to give Bush the reason to put into place plans that were already in place pre 9/11.

At least get your facts right goldfish brain, you have proved in your very own statement how wishy washy your argument is.

Last quote Mr symyjymy.. And heres the whole point of all of the USA certainly since the end of the 2ndWW.. The objective is natural resources, the control of nations who have it and also the support of the arms industry..

9/9/2008, Alan Greenspan, Chairman of the Federal Reserve through 2005. (from The Age of Turbulence, p.463)

"I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil."

I have my facts yet Im still waiting to see anything of substance from you..

 

[hybrid_x]

http://www.trueactivist.com/16-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true/

 

[One Love]

I haven't read this particular thread at all. But my view for what it's worth is that it's not always the Conspiracy Theorists that are crazy, but sometimes those that naively believe all the crepe dished out by various governments agencies for not questioning the likely hood or sometimes the strange coincidences of chance that crop up from time to time.

I think if you read this thread you would realise that it's only the CTers that are saying that is the case. I am pretty sure that I speak for all that not everything we are told is the truth and governments etc act and cover up other acts for their own agenda.

However it seems like if we don't believe what they think (and in some cases that means everything is a conspiracy ) then we are sheep and lack the ability to judge each case on its merits.

 

[Goldstone76]

I think if you read this thread you would realise that it's only the CTers that are saying that is the case. I am pretty sure that I speak for all that not everything we are told is the truth and governments etc act and cover up other acts for their own agenda.

However it seems like if we don't believe what they think (and in some cases that means everything is a conspiracy ) then we are sheep and lack the ability to judge each case on its merits.

I wouldnt call anyone a sheep IF they have an open mind. The issue is those whose mind is completely closed. Im open to the idea that 9/11 wasnt forced on the world by a government agency but to date no hole in the US government official version has been plugged. Way to many things that dont add up. And so a few people continue to state that what happened, happened in line with the official version even though hundreds of first responders, witnesses, victims, families, engineers, professors and ex FBI and CIA say the government version is wrong. I have experience because Ive been to Afghanistan, Twin Towers and actually spoken to some who were there that day. Im open .. but everyone here shouts a lot but offers nothing in return.

 

[One Love]

I wouldnt call anyone a sheep IF they have an open mind. The issue is those whose mind is completely closed. Im open to the idea that 9/11 wasnt forced on the world by a government agency but to date no hole in the US government official version has been plugged. Way to many things that dont add up. And so a few people continue to state that what happened, happened in line with the official version even though hundreds of first responders, witnesses, victims, families, engineers, professors and ex FBI and CIA say the government version is wrong. I have experience because Ive been to Afghanistan, Twin Towers and actually spoken to some who were there that day. Im open .. but everyone here shouts a lot but offers nothing in return.

Unfortunately I have tried to have a debate many times in the past on here (not with you I might add) and I now know where it leads. So no offerings from me anymore.

 

[hitony]

I did respond to your post. Couldn't understand why you needed to ask the question about my fan statues on a conspiracy thread? But nevertheless, you do encourage the sheep to give stick towards the conspiracy theorists, you can't deny this.
I hope you shepherd the herd better in future.

You are in great need of help! probably the most strangest person I have ever come across on NSC in my 9 years of being here.

 

[Hillian1]

You are in great need of help! probably the most strangest person I have ever come across on NSC in my 9 years of being here.

Now you've done it.

cue posts from it accusing you of deriding disability and such like while lecturing you on your role as a moderator.

 

[Goldstone76]

Where did he say he agreed that the CIA knew and did nothing.

George Tenet CIA (Director)
Cofer Black CIA
Richard Blee CIA (Bin Laden Station 1999-2001)

From 2 minutes.. In January 2000 the CIA monitor in Kuala Lumpar Mihdhar and Hazmi (hijackers of flight 77 which 'went into the Pentagon'). Both were 'lost' in Bangkok. On March 5th 2000 CIA station Bangkok says both Mihdhar and Hazmi arrive in Los Angeles. 50 CIA ops knew they had arrived on USA soil. 50 CIA agents knew this. The FBI were not informed because the CIA didnt give full information (held back on the authority of George Tenet, director CIA. The FBI were eventually told a week before that the CIA had 'lost them' both but the amazing fact is that both Mihdhar and Hazmi were using their own names, using credit cards and not even keeping a low profile.

 

[Hillian1]

George Tenet CIA (Director)
Cofer Black CIA
Richard Blee CIA (Bin Laden Station 1999-2001)

From 2 minutes.. In January 2000 the CIA monitor in Kuala Lumpar Mihdhar and Hazmi (hijackers of flight 77 which 'went into the Pentagon'). Both were 'lost' in Bangkok. On March 5th 2000 CIA station Bangkok says both Mihdhar and Hazmi arrive in Los Angeles. 50 CIA ops knew they had arrived on USA soil. 50 CIA agents knew this. The FBI were not informed because the CIA didnt give full information (held back on the authority of George Tenet, director CIA. The FBI were eventually told a week before that the CIA had 'lost them' both but the amazing fact is that both Mihdhar and Hazmi were using their own names, using credit cards and not even keeping a low profile.

Believe it or not, the poster you said "agreed that the CIA knew" is not a CIA operative and therefore did not say anything of the sort.

If you can't differentiate between a Youtube clip and an NSC poster your argument is fairly flawed.

 

[readingstockport]

George Tenet CIA (Director)
Cofer Black CIA
Richard Blee CIA (Bin Laden Station 1999-2001)

From 2 minutes.. In January 2000 the CIA monitor in Kuala Lumpar Mihdhar and Hazmi (hijackers of flight 77 which 'went into the Pentagon'). Both were 'lost' in Bangkok. On March 5th 2000 CIA station Bangkok says both Mihdhar and Hazmi arrive in Los Angeles. 50 CIA ops knew they had arrived on USA soil. 50 CIA agents knew this. The FBI were not informed because the CIA didnt give full information (held back on the authority of George Tenet, director CIA. The FBI were eventually told a week before that the CIA had 'lost them' both but the amazing fact is that both Mihdhar and Hazmi were using their own names, using credit cards and not even keeping a low profile.

The question was where did Hillian say that he agreed. Not where you want to pretend he said it. Now, most intelligent people on this thread have decided to stop replying to the deranged ones so why don't you run along to above top secret and onanise yourself into a frenzy over whatever their latest ct is.

 

[Goldstone76]

The question was where did Hillian say that he agreed. Not where you want to pretend he said it. Now, most intelligent people on this thread have decided to stop replying to the deranged ones so why don't you run along to above top secret and onanise yourself into a frenzy over whatever their latest ct is.

The answer is in the video duhhh.. The CIA knew but failed to tell the FBI... In fact they did nothing.. listen to it

 

[symyjym]

Believe it or not, the poster you said "agreed that the CIA knew" is not a CIA operative and therefore did not say anything of the sort.

If you can't differentiate between a Youtube clip and an NSC poster your argument is fairly flawed.

Wow, he didn't even understand what you meant by your post or what the context was. He doesn't even follow his own argument let alone read the responses he is given.

 

[Goldstone76]

Wow, he didn't even understand what you meant by your post or what the context was. He doesn't even follow his own argument let alone read the responses he is given.

And you havent even answered one question put to you..

 

[symyjym]

 

[BadFish]

Picture a dog chasing it's own tail. Anti- semitic bell-end. Could almost tolerate it if you weren't as thick as **** as well.

It is noticable how much braver The Truth has got since the arrival of Goldstone76. Nothing like basking in the glow of someone who can actually formulate an argument and hold a discussion with people instead of trolling and avoiding questions.

You are a joke The Truth.

 

[hitony]

Now you've done it.

cue posts from it accusing you of deriding disability and such like while lecturing you on your role as a moderator.

Oh I hope so!!

 

[Goldstone76]

It is noticable how much braver The Truth has got since the arrival of Goldstone76. Nothing like basking in the glow of someone who can actually formulate an argument and hold a discussion with people instead of trolling and avoiding questions.

You are a joke The Truth.

This is all so very funny.. anyway.. moving on because this has become a bit like Groundhog Day. Lets talk about the Pentagon..