Are conspiracy theories destroying democracy?

[Leighgull]

my thought is 9/11 doesnt precede an invasion of Iraq, but of Afganistan. Iraq required a whole new justification, all that WMD stuff. so why 9/11?

I'm not a tin foil hatter but 9/11 was definitely a precursor to the invasion of Iraq. Remember the "axis of evil"? Bush senior regretted not finishing Saddam off after the first Gulf conflict and whispered in his Sons ear that it was the perfect chance to lay that ghost down. If that's a conspiracy then it's one between a bitter father and a vengeful son...unfortunately both were heads of the free world.

It's been said before on one of these ludicrous threads that you can rule out a conspiracy around WMD because, had the CIA been involved, you can bet that some Sarin or some such WOULD have magically turned up in the clearup operation.

Tony Blair and Alastair Campbell have both challenged the critics of the dodgy dossier and the conspiracists to produce evidence of British collusion in the submission of false data to justify the war...to date no one has.

They also forced Bush to go back to the UN for sanity checks when Washingtons sabre rattling was at its height, they further insisted on the formation of a coalition to check American ambitions and cover the US from allegations of unwarranted aggression against a sovereign state.

If it wasn't for Blair the US would have gone in anyway but without international observers involved to rein them in. It's a ****ing mess there now as it is. If the USA had gone in alone it would have been far worse.

 

[The Truth]

To be fair I've only called you a **** once, because you really are a ****

Have you ever considered anger management courses?

 

[BadFish]

I'm not a tin foil hatter but 9/11 was definitely a precursor to the invasion of Iraq. Remember the "axis of evil"? Bush senior regretted not finishing Saddam off after the first Gulf conflict and whispered in his Sons ear that it was the perfect chance to lay that ghost down. If that's a conspiracy then it's one between a bitter father and a vengeful son...unfortunately both were heads of the free world.

It's been said before on one of these ludicrous threads that you can rule out a conspiracy around WMD because, had the CIA been involved, you can bet that some Sarin or some such WOULD have magically turned up in the clearup operation.

Tony Blair and Alastair Campbell have both challenged the critics of the dodgy dossier and the conspiracists to produce evidence of British collusion in the submission of false data to justify the war...to date no one has.

They also forced Bush to go back to the UN for sanity checks when Washingtons sabre rattling was at its height, they further insisted on the formation of a coalition to check American ambitions and cover the US from allegations of unwarranted aggression against a sovereign state.

If it wasn't for Blair the US would have gone in anyway but without international observers involved to rein them in. It's a ****ing mess there now as it is. If the USA had gone in alone it would have been far worse.

911 was definitely used as part of the hyper-bowl for the war in Irag (conveniently forgetting the fact that Hussein would have nothing to do with Al Qaeda) but it was not necessary. What has not been mentioned in the excuses for Iraq is the atrocities committed by Hussein on his people, these at the time were another strand of the crusade to attack Iraq.Let's not forget that the Us had managed to wage a war on Iraq a few years earlier without flying planes/holograms into or demolishing any buildings.

 

[Leighgull]

911 was definitely used as part of the hyper-bowl for the war in Irag (conveniently forgetting the fact that Hussein would have nothing to do with Al Qaeda) but it was not necessary. What has not been mentioned in the excuses for Iraq is the atrocities committed by Hussein on his people, these at the time were another strand of the crusade to attack Iraq.Let's not forget that the Us had managed to wage a war on Iraq a few years earlier without flying planes/holograms into or demolishing any buildings.

Lets remember that Iraq had invaded tiny helpless Oil..sorry...Kuwait that time.

 

[hitony]

That didn't make me LOL!? and anyway, you are without doubt licking the arse off most of the trolls on this thread, you can't deny that?
They are only laughing with you so it makes them look in the right. They were swearing at us before you turned up? That wasn't very LOL was it Hitony? Now the trolls are 'LOL' as if they weren't having emotional meltdowns before!? What a load of bollocks! Certain users on here eg Symyjym, Nibble, Badfish take our views much too seriously. These people who you are teaming up with, assume conspiracy theorist have a secret agenda to destroy the world with our lies!? Who needs help again, I've forgotten?[/QUOTE]

You do.

 

[The Truth]

You do.

What sort of help did you get? Why do you have such confidence in it? Have you ever considered alternative solutions like meditation? I'd strongly recommend it to you if you haven't tried?

 

[symyjym]

I'm not a tin foil hatter but 9/11 was definitely a precursor to the invasion of Iraq. Remember the "axis of evil"? Bush senior regretted not finishing Saddam off after the first Gulf conflict and whispered in his Sons ear that it was the perfect chance to lay that ghost down. If that's a conspiracy then it's one between a bitter father and a vengeful son...unfortunately both were heads of the free world.

It's been said before on one of these ludicrous threads that you can rule out a conspiracy around WMD because, had the CIA been involved, you can bet that some Sarin or some such WOULD have magically turned up in the clearup operation.

Tony Blair and Alastair Campbell have both challenged the critics of the dodgy dossier and the conspiracists to produce evidence of British collusion in the submission of false data to justify the war...to date no one has.

They also forced Bush to go back to the UN for sanity checks when Washingtons sabre rattling was at its height, they further insisted on the formation of a coalition to check American ambitions and cover the US from allegations of unwarranted aggression against a sovereign state.

If it wasn't for Blair the US would have gone in anyway but without international observers involved to rein them in. It's a ****ing mess there now as it is. If the USA had gone in alone it would have been far worse.

911 was definitely used as part of the hyper-bowl for the war in Irag (conveniently forgetting the fact that Hussein would have nothing to do with Al Qaeda) but it was not necessary. What has not been mentioned in the excuses for Iraq is the atrocities committed by Hussein on his people, these at the time were another strand of the crusade to attack Iraq.Let's not forget that the Us had managed to wage a war on Iraq a few years earlier without flying planes/holograms into or demolishing any buildings.

Great example of rational discussion. This is what the 911 CTers help to distract from, and blur the debate.

The truth is that fact is stranger than fiction, and it's also a lot more interesting.

 

[hitony]

What sort of help did you get? Why do you have such confidence in it? Have you ever considered alternative solutions like meditation? I'd strongly recommend it to you if you haven't tried?

I am strongly considering an alternative solution.

 

[The Truth]

I am strongly considering an alternative solution.

Good for you.

Take my advice Hitony. You shouldn't mock people who need help, many people rely on help and shouldn't feel ashamed to seek it. Why do you feel the need to see help as an insult? Aren't you supposed to be a moderator?

 

[beorhthelm]

I'm not a tin foil hatter but 9/11 was definitely a precursor to the invasion of Iraq. Remember the "axis of evil"? Bush senior regretted not finishing Saddam off after the first Gulf conflict and whispered in his Sons ear that it was the perfect chance to lay that ghost down. If that's a conspiracy then it's one between a bitter father and a vengeful son...unfortunately both were heads of the free world.

It's been said before on one of these ludicrous threads that you can rule out a conspiracy around WMD because, had the CIA been involved, you can bet that some Sarin or some such WOULD have magically turned up in the clearup operation.

i dont think that rules out anything. clearly Bush and the US felt they had unfinished business with Iraq but it took 18 months to invade after 9/11, so i really dont see how the two are directly connected. of course, the US used Afganistan and 9/11 as part of thier build up but its not very credible, for example Saddam and Bin Laden are fundementally opposed to each other (this is at the heart of the whole conflict in the first place). not that the average Brit and certainly not American would realise this, just a bunch of Arabs right? in the end they are related, but its too far a stretch to say, as CTers like to, that events of 9/11 were orchestrated to bring about an Iraq invasion. if that were the objective, why not have Iraq based terrorists? doesn't add up.

 

[The Truth]

Here's a conspiracy I've recently heard about, very alarming 'IF' true! http://intellihub.com/2013/11/02/going-massive-emp-blast-fries-u-s-electrical-grid/

 

[pastafarian]

Way to many things that dont add up..

including No 1

your profile page saying your first game was doncaster 1974....bumclamps!(never existed!)

not a massive twitup i grant you but a big enough trumpwhack to question what you invent

 

[pastafarian]

well done for sticking to your guns,it would have been very easy to be sucked into the dark hole these two inhabit and never returned.

as for getting on your back regarding not answering questions,apart from the obvious pot kettle black scenario how is it possible to respond to lies?

this is the same old lies they come up with


"This idea of yours that fires caused the collapse is really very naive and silly"
ignoring the obvious fact no one says this and structural damage by massive planes played a part

"May be its now time to move onto the Pentagon incident.. yes the one with the tiny hole and no airliner debris"
well thats another lie....there are is plenty of evidence photographic and otherwise of people picking up airline debris

there is usually added rhumbaba of things like the building fell in its own footprint to the ground floor and were completely turned to dust
no they didnt,debris was widespread,up to 7 stories remained from the initial fall and how can you claim the buildings completely turned to dust yet at the same time moan the steel structure debris and concrete remains were removed from the scene to protect evil perpetrators.


in conclusion symyjym get out now while you can before the life is sucked out of you

 

[beorhthelm]

there is usually added rhumbaba of things like the building fell in its own footprint to the ground floor and were completely turned to dust
no they didnt,debris was widespread,up to 7 stories remained from the initial fall and how can you claim the buildings completely turned to dust yet at the same time moan the steel structure debris and concrete remains were removed from the scene to protect evil perpetrators.

add to that the common claim that the buildings collapsed at "free fall speed". they dont. this is the basis for the whole premise of the demolition theory, yet its a lie that gets reguretated and repeated, bouncing round the resonating chamber of CT to be held unassailable as proof there must therefore have been a plan to bring down the buildings. shaky foundations to build on (excuse pun).

 

[pastafarian]

i did ponder this pages ago,but obviously received no reply,so here it is again for goldstone76 and thetruth

can you provide a timeline of what happened on 9/11 please from when the planes took off to the collapse of the last building.

its very clear you do not believe in the official version so what is your version.


anticipating non reply in advance
regards
pastafarian

 

[pastafarian]

add to that the common claim that the buildings collapsed at "free fall speed". they dont. this is the basis for the whole premise of the demolition theory, yet its a lie that gets reguretated and repeated, bouncing round the resonating chamber of CT to be held unassailable as proof there must therefore have been a plan to bring down the buildings. shaky foundations to build on (excuse pun).

sshh dont let them know the obvious

 

[The Truth]

..and who said they act like sheep?

 

[pastafarian]

..and who said they act like sheep?

you did.........so what.

any chance of answering my question

 

[The Truth]

you did.........so what.

What do you think about this report?

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto...MP=OTH-gnws-standard-2013_11_02#commentsStart

 

[pastafarian]

What do you think about this report?

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto...MP=OTH-gnws-standard-2013_11_02#commentsStart

i didnt bother reading it......why did you reply to my question with a question?