And that is why the English will win nothing

[TWOCHOICEStom]

Sorry Paul,Henman was consistent at winning nothing at Wimbledon,He was simply not good enough.That is a failure.

Completely disagree. To be that high in the world rankings, he was a winner. There were just a select few players he couldnt consistently beat

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Of course its not possible to be a winner in school now as it is against the human rights of the other children. They are ALL equal, and there's the rub. Mediocrity is embraced, accepted and applauded and of all the legacy this shambolic Labour government will leave us with in 2 years time this is quite possibly the worst thing they have ingrained into our nation.

Do you believe everything you read in the Daily Mail?

 

[Mendoza]

At the end of the day we have to remember that however magical and dramatical last night was, he did it to reach the QUARTER final, and he is being hailed as if he has just become the first British man to win since Fred Perry.

Being a Brit, he will probably beat Nadal and loose to someone ranked below him in the Semi.

As for the rest of the sporting nation we seem to make heroes out of people that nearly did something amazing, but not actually achieve anything of any significance; Tim Henman, Lewis Hamilton, Paul Gascoigne, Wayne Rooney, Kevin Pietersen spring to mind.

And people that are rewarded for success gets a bit stupid, and get awarded with MBE's etc

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Do you believe everything you read in the Daily Mail?

Why is it whenever anyone makes a reasonable observation particularly the absolutely hilarious and genius reply is " Do you read the Daily Mail " . Its incredibly childish and pathetic really. Get your head out of the sand and see what is going on out there for goodness sake

 

[algie]

If reaching four quarter-finals and four semi-finals in a period of 9 years is a failure, then I would be delighted to fail in style. The point is, there are going to be many also rans in every sport. But I don't buy the ethos of second place being the first loser. In the last 15 years, 12 of the Wimbledon titles have been won by Sampras and Federer, two of the greatest grass court players.

Failure is too strong a word in my opinion. A failure would not be a professional and able to forge a professional career in their chosen sport, surely?

I can see what your saying as Jimmy White reached quite a few World snooker finals and lost.He never won it.Where as other players have gone onto win it 3 or more times.White was good at snooker but didn't have what it takes to win the ultimate prize,to me thats a failure.

 

[Gwylan]

Why is it whenever anyone makes a reasonable observation particularly the absolutely hilarious and genius reply is " Do you read the Daily Mail " . Its incredibly childish and pathetic really. Get your head out of the sand and see what is going on out there for goodness sake

It's because it was a completely unreasonable observation that you made - one that bears no relation to reality.

Only a few days ago, there was a thread on her about the FA banning competive leagues for Under-8s because the win-at-all-costs mentality was hindering their football development. From what I see from children's sports, that's much more of a reality.

What's much more of a concern is the number of school playing fields being sold off.

It's not all bad news for British sport: people have mentioned boxing and rowing but the cycling squad is exceptionally strong too.

 

[algie]

Oh - and BOF - youa re spot on. Henman happened to be at his peak in the time of two of the greatest players EVER to have held a tennics racket in Sampras and Federer.

Timing did not deal Henman a great hand to be frank - in any sport that is an individual one rather than a team sport it is very difficult to win in this situation.

Yet people here have branded Henman a failure - which is utterly unbelievable. BEaring in mind they were served up Jeremy Bates for 5 years who getting through tho the second round was proclaimed to be a wondrous sporting achievement.

Rubbish,Henman was up against two of the greatest players but you have to beat the best to be the best.He couldn't because he wasn't good enough. and no other reason.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

We under achieve in virtually every sport invented by Man. Mcuh smaller nations with far less money available achieve far far more, there must be a reason for that and the pc Labour world of everyone being equal , ie, average means we have a bleak future for the next generation in all sports.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Henman bottled it against Ivanisevic in the semi's when he was 2-1 up and rolled over. Murray would not have done that.

 

[Seasider78]

For years before Henman there was nobody British who would realistically be able to have a good run at Wimbledon and his achievements have probably spawned a new generation of younger tennis players (as will Murrays current run).

It is good to see and although I think Murray will fall short against Nadal (who alongside Federer is just on a different planet to the others in terms of ability) he gave the crowd another glimpse of hope last night and I must say its refreshing to see someone who wanted to win as much as Murray did.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I can see what your saying as Jimmy White reached quite a few World snooker finals and lost.He never won it.Where as other players have gone onto win it 3 or more times.White was good at snooker but didn't have what it takes to win the ultimate prize,to me thats a failure.

Fair enough. I think we obviously have different definitions of what constitutes a failure. To put it into Brighton & Hove context, I would not label The Albion as being failures despite losing to Man Utd in the FA Cup final. More often than not, there is always going to be someone or something that is better and not beating them is not an outright failure.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

If Henman went out in the qarters who would say' Oh hard luck well done... its Nadal, what else could we expect?'

Probably most of us.

How many of us will say the same for Murray?

I hope the same number but I am a fantasist and believe the Albion will win the FA cup next season..

 

[Seasider78]

We under achieve in virtually every sport invented by Man. Mcuh smaller nations with far less money available achieve far far more, there must be a reason for that and the pc Labour world of everyone being equal , ie, average means we have a bleak future for the next generation in all sports.

I think a lot of that can be put down to the quality of coaching in this country. Look at football some of these kids are picked up at 8 years old yet after 10 years of coaching before they turn proffesional none of them seem to be world beaters.

Compare that to Brazil who just seem to have an everlasting supply of top footballers.

You also have to look at the culture of the kids today more interested in sitting on their PC's sending each other imaginary gifts on facebook than out kicking a ball down the park with their mates

 

[NMH]

Look back at the posts on various threads - as soon as Murray started losing it was all about why is a wanker, why we all hate him, he's Scottish blah blah blah

You make me sick - you were just us disgraceful towards Henman - who to be frank is a far better man and achieved a whole lot more than most dweebs on here.

But you just can;t wait to slag someone for losing - and you almost hate it when they win.

Shove it right up yer arse - gutless spineless little weedies who pack in as soon as it doesn't go their way.

And you knwo what - he playerd some fantastic tennis last night - anyone really mention that?

Of course not - this country as a whole has forgotten how to win.

Erm....f*** off jock.

Your countrymen are NUMERO UNO for cheering when the Engerlish lose at anything, and I remember you were like that while WE were cheering on the 'plucky Scots' in international competitions.

Your 'boys' also never minded smashing the f*** out of everything in London for the Home Internationals, and have curled their lips in general at every achievement by the English football team.

Not everyone is like you, or I, suggest - but when it turns around the other way you don't like it either.
Taste of your own medicines, innit.

Your choice is easy - don't 'own' the anti-Scots stuff, because most of it is a wind-up. Most fans of the game of tennis just want there to be a great match regardless of who comes from where. Not every individual player represents their country every time they walk on court anyway, look at Agassi - did he represent Iraq or Armenia (or wherever he's actually from)?
Did Monica Seles mind becoming an American, basically shunning her nationality?

Anyway, your ranting thread makes you look like a right big kilted GIRRRRRLIE!

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Why is it whenever anyone makes a reasonable observation particularly the absolutely hilarious and genius reply is " Do you read the Daily Mail " . Its incredibly childish and pathetic really. Get your head out of the sand and see what is going on out there for goodness sake

You repeat an urban myth as fact, as if the PC poilice are patrolling every school playing field checking for signs of competition then expect to be dismissed.
The school sports day I went to last week was extremely competitive, and all those lefty teachers seemed to be loving it.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

You repeat an urban myth as fact, as if the PC poilice are patrolling every school playing field checking for signs of competition then expect to be dismissed.
The school sports day I went to last week was extremely competitive, and all those lefty teachers seemed to be loving it.

Were they reported

 

[Tom Bombadil]

We under achieve in virtually every sport invented by Man. Mcuh smaller nations with far less money available achieve far far more, there must be a reason for that and the pc Labour world of everyone being equal , ie, average means we have a bleak future for the next generation in all sports.

That is a truly pathetic analysis up to your usual low standard. Can you please remind our younger viewers of the long list of sporting successes during the Thatcher and Major years.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Anyway to me Labour = Mediocre, the stench of this attitude in business, home lives, sport reeks out the whole of society and the sooner they f*** off the better for all of us.

 

[algie]

Erm....f*** off jock.

Your countrymen are NUMERO UNO for cheering when the Engerlish lose at anything, and I remember you were like that while WE were cheering on the 'plucky Scots' in international competitions.

Your 'boys' also never minded smashing the f*** out of everything in London for the Home Internationals, and have curled their lips in general at every achievement by the English football team.

Not everyone is like you, or I, suggest - but when it turns around the other way you don't like it either.
Taste of your own medicines, innit.

Your choice is easy - don't 'own' the anti-Scots stuff, because most of it is a wind-up. Most fans of the game of tennis just want there to be a great match regardless of who comes from where. Not every individual player represents their country every time they walk on court anyway, look at Agassi - did he represent Iraq or Armenia (or wherever he's actually from)?
Did Monica Seles mind becoming an American, basically shunning her nationality?

Anyway, your ranting thread makes you look like a right big kilted GIRRRRRLIE!

I never looked at it in that Perspective.Cracking post which i totally agree with

 

[NMH]

Henman bottled it against Ivanisevic in the semi's when he was 2-1 up and rolled over. Murray would not have done that.

Yeah, but 'Eddie The Eagle' would have taken on the lot and spat them out, then put Chuck Norris over his KNEE :bitchslap: