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Albion planning apps pt 1 - IMPORTANT
- Thread starter The History Man
- Start date
Lord Bracknell
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If the remaining planning applications that are due to be submitted in mid July are deemed to require an Environmental Impact Assessment, there will be a consultation period of sixteen weeks (instead of the 'normal' eight week period).
This could mean that they don't reach the Planning Committee until the end of November at the earliest - and possibly December.
A grant of planning permission would then be subject to an appeal period of a further sixty days, taking us until late January or February 2009 before the final go-ahead is achieved.
Hopefully this won't mean a delay to the start of work on site.
This could mean that they don't reach the Planning Committee until the end of November at the earliest - and possibly December.
A grant of planning permission would then be subject to an appeal period of a further sixty days, taking us until late January or February 2009 before the final go-ahead is achieved.
Hopefully this won't mean a delay to the start of work on site.
steward 433
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Surely the removal of the chalk which is one of the first jobs to do? will require the enviromental impact assesment treatment though??
Barrel of Fun
Abort, retry, fail
Could we not arrange a school trip (The Children of Mile Oak) to come and collect the chalk to stockpile for their classrooms?
Lord B. Obviously the planning applications that are due to be submitted in mid-july are not simple run of the mill applications, but do you know why they are due to be submitted quite late on?
Lord B. Obviously the planning applications that are due to be submitted in mid-july are not simple run of the mill applications, but do you know why they are due to be submitted quite late on?
Arthur
Well-known member
And so it begins.............yet the club and it's patsy's still try and spin it positively!
Unbelievable!
dougdeep
New member
Lord Bracknell
On fire
I'm actually struggling to see how my post spins anything positively.
What it doesn't do is run the club down.
Arthur
Well-known member
Hmmmmm no not at all!
Hopefully I'll win the lottery and start knobing a super model, not going to happen though is it!
Lord Bracknell
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There is NOTHING going through the planning process that will stand in the way of work starting on site. The first job to be started will be the widening of Village Way and the junction improvement with the Falmer - Woodingdean road. That and the site clearance.
Benedict57
New member
- May 6, 2008
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Done
Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!
Primary data is fact
The list of applications to be considered at the BHCC Planning Sub-Committee meeting on 18 June has been published.
Brighton Hove City Council - applications to be discussed at planning committee
The application for extended use at Withdean (2008/00379) is included but that for the upgrade and widening of the Stanmer Park Access Road (2008/00565) is not (as predicted by LB).
Brighton Hove City Council - applications to be discussed at planning committee
The application for extended use at Withdean (2008/00379) is included but that for the upgrade and widening of the Stanmer Park Access Road (2008/00565) is not (as predicted by LB).
Lord Bracknell
On fire
The Withdean Application (in summary):-
No: BH2008/00379 Ward: WITHDEAN
App Type Full Planning
Address: Withdean Stadium Tongdean Lane Brighton
Proposal: Proposed continuation of the use of the stadium until 30 June 2011 and retention of existing temporary facilities. Variation of condition 2, 3 and 4 pursuant to previous application no. BH2005/00464/FP. Construction of an additional temporary staff building and extension to Study Support building.
Officer: Nicola Hurley, tel: 292114 Received Date: 05 February 2008
Con Area: N/A Expiry Date: 18 June 2008
Agent: DMH Stallard, 100 Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3YB
Applicant: Brighton & Hove Albion Football Club Ltd, Mr Martin Perry, Withdean Stadium Project Office, Tongdean Lane, Brighton, BN1 5JD
1 SUMMARY
This application seeks to vary conditions 2, 3 and 4 pursuant to planning permission BH2005/00464/FP to allow Brighton & Hove Albion to continue to use Withdean Stadium and to retain existing temporary structures and buildings until 30 June 2011. In addition, planning permission is sought for the construction of an additional temporary staff building and an extension to the existing the Study Support building. Objections have been received from neighbouring residential occupiers relating to the impact of the club’s activities in the surrounding residential area. Whilst letters of support have been received stressing the importance of the club to the city.
Matchdays clearly cause significant disturbance to the surrounding residents and this impact is the main issue for consideration. A range of transport measures have been in place for several years and have proved relatively successful. Additional measures introduced following application BH2005/00464/FP have sought to address the proposed additional seats implemented as part of that approval and will continue until June 2010. Environmental Health officers are satisfied that noise issues can be addressed through the conditions imposed previously. The proposal would have no significant impact upon the nature reserve or crime and safety issues. The frequency and duration of matches is very limited and the Athletics facilities will be retained.
The proposed structures generally have a temporary appearance but, due to the natural bowl within which the stadium is situated, have limited visibility from outside the site. In terms of the new staff room and the extension to the ‘Playing for Success’ Centre, given the scale of the development, together with the screening provided by the existing structures, the proposed extension and new staff facilities are not considered to have an adverse impact on the surrounding area.
Whilst some disturbance to local residents is inevitable from a use attracting such large numbers of spectators, it is not considered that the current scheme to extend the use of Withdean Stadium by Brighton & Hove Albion would have significant additional impacts that could not be controlled through the planning system.
For the reasons outlined above the application is recommended for approval.
2 RECOMMENDATION
That the Committee has taken into consideration and agrees with the reasons for the recommendation set out in paragraph 10 of this report and resolves that it is Minded to Grant temporary planning permission subject to any variations required to the existing Section 106 Agreement and to following Conditions and Informatives:
Conditions
1. The temporary West Stand, South Stand, North East Stand and East Stand seating terraces, temporary two storey hospitality building and other Portacabins (excluding the athletics pavilion), turnstiles, new staff facilities and study support building shall be removed from the site on or before 30 June 2011 and the land reinstated to its former condition by 30 September 2011.
Reason: The structures hereby permitted are not considered suitable as a permanent form of development and permission is granted for a temporary period only and in accordance with policies QD1 and QD2 of the Brighton & Hove Local Plan.
2. Use of the site for Brighton & Hove Albion Football Club first team home matches shall cease on or before 30 June 2011.
Reason: As the application seeks consent for a temporary period only.
3. At the expiration of the period ending on 30 June 2011 or at the date when the applicant permanently ceases playing matches at the Stadium, whichever is the earlier, the surface of the new car park at the north-west corner of the Stadium shall be broken up and removed and the land restored to its former condition as a grassed area, with grass seeding to be carried out in the first seeding season following either of these dates and all works to be to the approval of the Local Planning Authority.
Reason: To secure the reinstatement of this grassed area of land in the interests of the visual amenities of the locality and in accordance with policy QD15 of the Brighton & Hove Local Plan.
4. No development on the new staff facilities and the study support building shall take place until samples of the materials (including colour of render, paintwork or colourwash) to be used in the construction of the external surfaces of the development hereby permitted have been submitted to and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority. Development shall be carried out in accordance with the approved details.
Reason: To ensure a satisfactory appearance to the development and to comply with policies QD1 of the Brighton & Hove Local Plan.
Informatives:
1. This decision is based on drawing nos. 252 07 2, 01746/132, 01746/131 submitted on 5 February 2008; 01746/130 rev A submitted on 29 February 2008; 252 07 1 submitted on 17 March 2008.
2. This decision to grant Planning Permission has been taken:
i) having regard to the policies and proposals in the East Sussex and Brighton & Hove Structure Plan/Brighton & Hove Local Plan set out below:
East Sussex and Brighton & Hove Structure Plan 1991-2011:
TR1 Integrated Transport and Environment Strategy
TR2 Travel Awareness
TR3 Accessibility
LT14 Major Sporting Venues
Brighton & Hove Local Plan:
TR1 Development and the demand for travel
TR2 Public transport accessibility and parking
TR3 Development in areas of low public transport accessibility
TR4 Travel plans
TR5 Sustainable transport corridors and bus priority routes
TR6 Park & Ride
TR7 Safe development
TR14 Cycle access and parking
TR18 Parking for people with a mobility related disability
TR19 Parking standards
SU2 Efficiency of development in the use of energy, water and materials
SU10 Noise nuisance
SU13 Minimisation and re-use of construction industry waste
SU15 Infrastructure
QD1 Design – quality of development and design statements
QD2 Design – key principles for neighbourhoods
QD3 Design – efficient and effective use of sites
QD4 Design – strategic impact
QD15 Landscape design
QD16 Trees and hedgerows
QD17 Protection and integration of nature conservation features
QD19 Greenways
QD27 Protection of amenity
QD28 Planning obligations
SR22 Major sporting venues; and
ii) for the following reasons:
The Council recognises that the applicant plays a large role in the local community and economy. An important consideration is the need to find a temporary solution whilst the Community Stadium at Falmer is constructed. Against this, another major consideration is the disturbance which matchdays can cause to surrounding residents. The Council believes on balance that permission should be given to allow home football matches to be played at Withdean until 30 June 2011. The Council believes that impacts on residential amenity on matchdays (approximately 25-30 occasions per year) has been and will continue to be minimised through conditions.
Matchdays clearly cause significant disturbance to the surrounding residents and this impact is the main issue for consideration. Objections have been received on a variety of grounds relating to the impact of the club’s activities upon the surrounding residential area. Whilst letters of support have been received stressing the importance of the club to the city.
A range of transport measures have been in place for several years and have proved relatively successful. Additional measures introduced following application BH2005/00464/FP have sought to address the proposed additional seats implemented as part of that approval and will continue until June 2010. Environmental Health is satisfied that noise issues can be addressed through the conditions imposed previously. The proposal would have no significant impact upon the nature reserve or crime and safety issues. The frequency and duration of matches is very limited. Athletics facilities will be retained.
The proposed structures generally have a temporary appearance but, due to the natural bowl within which the stadium is situated, have limited visibility from outside the site. In terms of the new staff room and the extension to the ‘Playing for Success’ Centre, given the scale of the development, together with the screening provided by the existing structures, the proposed extension and new staff facilities are not considered to have an adverse impact on the surrounding area.
Whilst some disturbance to local residents is inevitable from a use attracting such large numbers of spectators, it is not considered that the current proposal would have significant additional impacts that could not be controlled through the planning system.
No: BH2008/00379 Ward: WITHDEAN
App Type Full Planning
Address: Withdean Stadium Tongdean Lane Brighton
Proposal: Proposed continuation of the use of the stadium until 30 June 2011 and retention of existing temporary facilities. Variation of condition 2, 3 and 4 pursuant to previous application no. BH2005/00464/FP. Construction of an additional temporary staff building and extension to Study Support building.
Officer: Nicola Hurley, tel: 292114 Received Date: 05 February 2008
Con Area: N/A Expiry Date: 18 June 2008
Agent: DMH Stallard, 100 Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3YB
Applicant: Brighton & Hove Albion Football Club Ltd, Mr Martin Perry, Withdean Stadium Project Office, Tongdean Lane, Brighton, BN1 5JD
1 SUMMARY
This application seeks to vary conditions 2, 3 and 4 pursuant to planning permission BH2005/00464/FP to allow Brighton & Hove Albion to continue to use Withdean Stadium and to retain existing temporary structures and buildings until 30 June 2011. In addition, planning permission is sought for the construction of an additional temporary staff building and an extension to the existing the Study Support building. Objections have been received from neighbouring residential occupiers relating to the impact of the club’s activities in the surrounding residential area. Whilst letters of support have been received stressing the importance of the club to the city.
Matchdays clearly cause significant disturbance to the surrounding residents and this impact is the main issue for consideration. A range of transport measures have been in place for several years and have proved relatively successful. Additional measures introduced following application BH2005/00464/FP have sought to address the proposed additional seats implemented as part of that approval and will continue until June 2010. Environmental Health officers are satisfied that noise issues can be addressed through the conditions imposed previously. The proposal would have no significant impact upon the nature reserve or crime and safety issues. The frequency and duration of matches is very limited and the Athletics facilities will be retained.
The proposed structures generally have a temporary appearance but, due to the natural bowl within which the stadium is situated, have limited visibility from outside the site. In terms of the new staff room and the extension to the ‘Playing for Success’ Centre, given the scale of the development, together with the screening provided by the existing structures, the proposed extension and new staff facilities are not considered to have an adverse impact on the surrounding area.
Whilst some disturbance to local residents is inevitable from a use attracting such large numbers of spectators, it is not considered that the current scheme to extend the use of Withdean Stadium by Brighton & Hove Albion would have significant additional impacts that could not be controlled through the planning system.
For the reasons outlined above the application is recommended for approval.
2 RECOMMENDATION
That the Committee has taken into consideration and agrees with the reasons for the recommendation set out in paragraph 10 of this report and resolves that it is Minded to Grant temporary planning permission subject to any variations required to the existing Section 106 Agreement and to following Conditions and Informatives:
Conditions
1. The temporary West Stand, South Stand, North East Stand and East Stand seating terraces, temporary two storey hospitality building and other Portacabins (excluding the athletics pavilion), turnstiles, new staff facilities and study support building shall be removed from the site on or before 30 June 2011 and the land reinstated to its former condition by 30 September 2011.
Reason: The structures hereby permitted are not considered suitable as a permanent form of development and permission is granted for a temporary period only and in accordance with policies QD1 and QD2 of the Brighton & Hove Local Plan.
2. Use of the site for Brighton & Hove Albion Football Club first team home matches shall cease on or before 30 June 2011.
Reason: As the application seeks consent for a temporary period only.
3. At the expiration of the period ending on 30 June 2011 or at the date when the applicant permanently ceases playing matches at the Stadium, whichever is the earlier, the surface of the new car park at the north-west corner of the Stadium shall be broken up and removed and the land restored to its former condition as a grassed area, with grass seeding to be carried out in the first seeding season following either of these dates and all works to be to the approval of the Local Planning Authority.
Reason: To secure the reinstatement of this grassed area of land in the interests of the visual amenities of the locality and in accordance with policy QD15 of the Brighton & Hove Local Plan.
4. No development on the new staff facilities and the study support building shall take place until samples of the materials (including colour of render, paintwork or colourwash) to be used in the construction of the external surfaces of the development hereby permitted have been submitted to and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority. Development shall be carried out in accordance with the approved details.
Reason: To ensure a satisfactory appearance to the development and to comply with policies QD1 of the Brighton & Hove Local Plan.
Informatives:
1. This decision is based on drawing nos. 252 07 2, 01746/132, 01746/131 submitted on 5 February 2008; 01746/130 rev A submitted on 29 February 2008; 252 07 1 submitted on 17 March 2008.
2. This decision to grant Planning Permission has been taken:
i) having regard to the policies and proposals in the East Sussex and Brighton & Hove Structure Plan/Brighton & Hove Local Plan set out below:
East Sussex and Brighton & Hove Structure Plan 1991-2011:
TR1 Integrated Transport and Environment Strategy
TR2 Travel Awareness
TR3 Accessibility
LT14 Major Sporting Venues
Brighton & Hove Local Plan:
TR1 Development and the demand for travel
TR2 Public transport accessibility and parking
TR3 Development in areas of low public transport accessibility
TR4 Travel plans
TR5 Sustainable transport corridors and bus priority routes
TR6 Park & Ride
TR7 Safe development
TR14 Cycle access and parking
TR18 Parking for people with a mobility related disability
TR19 Parking standards
SU2 Efficiency of development in the use of energy, water and materials
SU10 Noise nuisance
SU13 Minimisation and re-use of construction industry waste
SU15 Infrastructure
QD1 Design – quality of development and design statements
QD2 Design – key principles for neighbourhoods
QD3 Design – efficient and effective use of sites
QD4 Design – strategic impact
QD15 Landscape design
QD16 Trees and hedgerows
QD17 Protection and integration of nature conservation features
QD19 Greenways
QD27 Protection of amenity
QD28 Planning obligations
SR22 Major sporting venues; and
ii) for the following reasons:
The Council recognises that the applicant plays a large role in the local community and economy. An important consideration is the need to find a temporary solution whilst the Community Stadium at Falmer is constructed. Against this, another major consideration is the disturbance which matchdays can cause to surrounding residents. The Council believes on balance that permission should be given to allow home football matches to be played at Withdean until 30 June 2011. The Council believes that impacts on residential amenity on matchdays (approximately 25-30 occasions per year) has been and will continue to be minimised through conditions.
Matchdays clearly cause significant disturbance to the surrounding residents and this impact is the main issue for consideration. Objections have been received on a variety of grounds relating to the impact of the club’s activities upon the surrounding residential area. Whilst letters of support have been received stressing the importance of the club to the city.
A range of transport measures have been in place for several years and have proved relatively successful. Additional measures introduced following application BH2005/00464/FP have sought to address the proposed additional seats implemented as part of that approval and will continue until June 2010. Environmental Health is satisfied that noise issues can be addressed through the conditions imposed previously. The proposal would have no significant impact upon the nature reserve or crime and safety issues. The frequency and duration of matches is very limited. Athletics facilities will be retained.
The proposed structures generally have a temporary appearance but, due to the natural bowl within which the stadium is situated, have limited visibility from outside the site. In terms of the new staff room and the extension to the ‘Playing for Success’ Centre, given the scale of the development, together with the screening provided by the existing structures, the proposed extension and new staff facilities are not considered to have an adverse impact on the surrounding area.
Whilst some disturbance to local residents is inevitable from a use attracting such large numbers of spectators, it is not considered that the current proposal would have significant additional impacts that could not be controlled through the planning system.
steward 433
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Ed when you look at the link on Alex Dawsons post it says the application is "minded to grant"
Is that almost a yes but waiting on what??
Is that almost a yes but waiting on what??
Lord Bracknell
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It means the Council says YES.
It's the way recommendations are worded when they get considered by Planning Committees.
The actual granting of planning permission is dependant on the Applicant agreeing to the proposed conditions. That final stage happens after the Committee itself has finished its deliberations.
steward 433
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So basically it's a go as long as the club agrees the conditions of the application (which i presume they will)
Cheers for clearing that up
Lord Bracknell
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Not a great response to The History Man's plea ...
As far as the Withdean application is concerned, there were 81 letters of support sent to the Council (42 from Brighton & Hove addresses).
There were 8 letters of objection.
steward 433
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2 of the letters of support from outside Brighton & Hove were me and the Mrs as well!!!
Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!
Primary data is fact
Four from us Graham and one from within the city by my mum, that bore an uncanny 
whistle resemblence to mine.
Agree totally with LB's comments earlier - a really disappointing show of support from the club's fan base. 4300 registered users on NSC were spoon fed how to comment on the application leading to a total of 81 letters of support being submitted to BHCC - FFS!
How many posts do you reckon there'll be on here if Kuipers doesn't get squad number 1 this season - now that's REALLY important?
whistle resemblence to mine. Agree totally with LB's comments earlier - a really disappointing show of support from the club's fan base. 4300 registered users on NSC were spoon fed how to comment on the application leading to a total of 81 letters of support being submitted to BHCC - FFS!
How many posts do you reckon there'll be on here if Kuipers doesn't get squad number 1 this season - now that's REALLY important?
Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!
Primary data is fact
BH2008/00565 Update
(Stanmer Park road - widening and improvement of the single-track access road from the A270 Lewes Road to the entrance to Stanmer Park).
This is now provisionally scheduled for the Planning Committee Meeting on 9th July subject to the applicant (BHA) providing some additional information requested by BHCC.
(Stanmer Park road - widening and improvement of the single-track access road from the A270 Lewes Road to the entrance to Stanmer Park).
This is now provisionally scheduled for the Planning Committee Meeting on 9th July subject to the applicant (BHA) providing some additional information requested by BHCC.
Just to be pedantic and to clarify this point, the planning officer is recommending to the planning committee that the application be approved subject to conditions and amendments to the legal agreement. If the committee agree with the recommendation of the planning officer, then because the legal agreement needs to be updated, the planning permission cannot formally be issued. Only once the legal agreement has been amended and all the parties have signed it can the formal permission be issued. Hence the phrase 'Minded to Grant' as in 'Minded to Grant Planning Permission subject to the completion of the Legal Agreement'.