Albion agreed to Reading's offer for Gus Poyet?

[Sergei's Celebration]

I think if you look at the section of your post he included, he was only saying he was right about the clackers.

I understand that but I did take it to be in response to the man out of control comment which referred to Gus as a whole not just the clackers.

What is interesting is that this is still such a divisive issue amongst fans. People have such entrenched views that i would suggest that even if the HR report was published, Gus has a day in open court and he was still found in breach of contract / gross misconduct some would still believe that the Club was at fault in this process not him. My concern is that some have lost faith in the club, as we have seen recently with the reaction to the bus issue and that no matter what happens in the future some will still look back at this summer in the negative and not the positive. Just saying like.

 

[B.W.]

That mail was neither misconduct nor gross misconduct. If it were, I am sure any Albion employees that saw it prior to being sent would also be subject to similar disciplinary actions.

It did serve the purpose however of putting some context to the clubs next actions.

I wonder if the mail it was in response to will ever be made public?

Ooh, what mail was that ROSM?

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

That mail was neither misconduct nor gross misconduct. If it were, I am sure any Albion employees that saw it prior to being sent would also be subject to similar disciplinary actions.

It did serve the purpose however of putting some context to the clubs next actions.

I wonder if the mail it was in response to will ever be made public?

I've seen a print-out of the mail from Barber. It was a fairly innocuous 'Well done everybody, better luck next season' affair, presumably pre-prepared along with a 'Well done everybody, Wembley here we come' one to be sent out depending on the result against Palace.

 

[B.W.]

I've seen a print-out of the mail from Barber. It was a fairly innocuous 'Well done everybody, better luck next season' affair, presumably pre-prepared along with a 'Well done everybody, Wembley here we come' one to be sent out depending on the result against Palace.

Thank you NAN!

 

[ROSM]

I've seen a print-out of the mail from Barber. It was a fairly innocuous 'Well done everybody, better luck next season' affair, presumably pre-prepared along with a 'Well done everybody, Wembley here we come' one to be sent out depending on the result against Palace.

I think that shows just how relations feel apart between those two that a seemingly innocent email could generate such incendiary behaviour. As I wrote at the time, the perceived slights that individuals were reading into things were like warring parents at the breakfast table

 

[symyjym]

That mail was neither misconduct nor gross misconduct. If it were, I am sure any Albion employees that saw it prior to being sent would also be subject to similar disciplinary actions.

It did serve the purpose however of putting some context to the clubs next actions.

I wonder if the mail it was in response to will ever be made public?

I don't know what you are talking about, do you think he asked Charlie for his approval before he sent it? And it doesn't hint that he was responding to another email because it was sent to everyone.

Anyway the definition of gross misconduct is below for your info;

1. What is gross misconduct?

Conduct on the part of an employee which is so bad that it destroys the employer/employee relationship, and merits instant dismissal without notice or pay in lieu of notice.

(Such dismissal without notice is often called ‘summary dismissal’.)


2. What counts as gross misconduct?

It is strongly advisable to give employees a clear indication of the type of behaviour you consider to be gross misconduct. You can do so in the contract of employment itself or in a staff handbook. Identifying such behaviour in advance will help to demonstrate later on that you regard it as significant. Most employers would identify intoxication (whether from drink or drugs), fighting or other physical abuse, indecent behaviour, theft, dishonesty, sabotage, serious breaches of health and safety rules, offensive behaviour (such as discrimination, harassment, bullying, abuse and violence) and gross insubordination as examples of gross misconduct.

 

[ROSM]

Trust me (I work in hr) that is not gross insubordination.

And you can put whatever funny smiley you want on that one too.

 

[cjd]

I understand that but I did take it to be in response to the man out of control comment which referred to Gus as a whole not just the clackers.

What is interesting is that this is still such a divisive issue amongst fans. People have such entrenched views that i would suggest that even if the HR report was published, Gus has a day in open court and he was still found in breach of contract / gross misconduct some would still believe that the Club was at fault in this process not him. My concern is that some have lost faith in the club, as we have seen recently with the reaction to the bus issue and that no matter what happens in the future some will still look back at this summer in the negative and not the positive. Just saying like.

I very much agree with your post and in particular ..."My concern is that some have lost faith in the club...re other issues etc etc".

It is of great disappointment to me, that some of the FFA team and much respected posters on here, who did so much to help in the Withdean years, now appear to constantly criticise the club with thinly veiled attacks using hypothetical employment jargon and suggestions that they 'know' the truth. It is nauseating to see them do this. I view them the same as Gus.....did a huge amount to help transform this club.....and now appear bitter and twisted.

As with Gus...I wish they would just shut up and go quietly..... and keep their dignity.

 

[symyjym]

Trust me (I work in hr) that is not gross insubordination.

And you can put whatever funny smiley you want on that one too.

Do you think I wrote that myself. Here is the link if it helps. http://www.lawdonut.co.uk/law/employment-law/discipline-and-grievance/gross-misconduct-16-faqs#1

And sorry about the smiley

 

[ROSM]

Do you think I wrote that myself. Here is the link if it helps. http://www.lawdonut.co.uk/law/employment-law/discipline-and-grievance/gross-misconduct-16-faqs#1

And sorry about the smiley

I am not disputing the terms you wrote but I do dispute the that his email falls into the category. Having had to work hard to get someone dismissed who outed a colleague by email, that is the benchmark I am applying to this case.

As for cjd's comment. I will be blunt and say that a little but of my love for the Albion died this summer. I am not saying that Gus shouldn't have gone. Or indeed that Oscar won't be a great manager (he will be and all should support him even if he gets off to a poor start as it will come right nd eventually be better than we were last year) but some of the handling of issues (not just Gus) has been poor in my view. Sorry if that sounds like sniping.

 

[symyjym]

I am not disputing the terms you wrote but I do dispute the that his email falls into the category. Having had to work hard to get someone dismissed who outed a colleague by email, that is the benchmark I am applying to this case.

As for cjd's comment. I will be blunt and say that a little but of my love for the Albion died this summer. I am not saying that Gus shouldn't have gone. Or indeed that Oscar won't be a great manager (he will be and all should support him even if he gets off to a poor start as it will come right nd eventually be better than we were last year) but some of the handling of issues (not just Gus) has been poor in my view. Sorry if that sounds like sniping.

If that email was only sent to Bloom, it would have been confidential and non actionable, however Gus set out to embarrass his employers, and it's angry content was made public.

I agree that we were looking to replace him before the email was sent, but when it was, the club said thank you very much, it makes it a lot easier and cheaper now.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I very much agree with your post and in particular ..."My concern is that some have lost faith in the club...re other issues etc etc".

It is of great disappointment to me, that some of the FFA team and much respected posters on here, who did so much to help in the Withdean years, now appear to constantly criticise the club with thinly veiled attacks using hypothetical employment jargon and suggestions that they 'know' the truth. It is nauseating to see them do this. I view them the same as Gus.....did a huge amount to help transform this club.....and now appear bitter and twisted.

As with Gus...I wish they would just shut up and go quietly..... and keep their dignity.

You may not agree with their opinions or even like them, but you are not going to get them to shut up. Their opinions are just as valid as yours.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

'It was only Reading' were the exact words used by Tanno in one of the press conferences following. Gus avoided doing them leaving them to Tanno & Charlie if he could.
I doubt that the club drove him to Gatwick when he flew out at 6am and he lives in Orpington.

Yes I know ;-).

Orpington is hardly a different part of the world......

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I really don't get it. GP has gone. Its fun to speculate over things, but all this stuff about 'a little bit of my love for the club has died', and the various witterings in support of DK's criticism of TB . . . really . . .

Anyone want to start a 'Bloom Out' petition?

Not me, mister . . .

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I really don't get it. GP has gone. Its fun to speculate over things, but all this stuff about 'a little bit of my love for the club has died', and the various witterings in support of DK's criticism of TB . . . really . . .

Anyone want to start a 'Bloom Out' petition?

Not me, mister . . .

Quite right.....

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I really don't get it. GP has gone. Its fun to speculate over things, but all this stuff about 'a little bit of my love for the club has died', and the various witterings in support of DK's criticism of TB . . . really . . .

Anyone want to start a 'Bloom Out' petition?

Not me, mister . . .

I don't get it either, but Gus was a charismatic and successful manager so some will have negative feelings about his departure.

And don't forget it is an ideal reason to have a go at Paul Barber which is one of NSC's favourite sports, seemingly because he axed Gully's Girls and / or some Canadian wrote a critical article of his time in charge of Vancouver Whitecaps.

 

[portslade seagull]

Maybe it would suit some on here if we were on the verge of bankruptcy rather than being prudent to ensure this never happens which is why Barber has been brought in

 

[Acker79]

Why do some people act like it is either/or, that you have to go all in on one side? what happened to nuance? Why do they seem to think if you're critical of aspects of the clubs handling of the saga you have to have wanted gus to stay, and have to hate barber and bloom? The whole situation is vague and probably complex (if the discussions of what constitute gross misconduct are anything to go by) why can't fans view of the situation also be complex and nuanced? Why can't people think the club's intentions are right, but the press releases were ill advised, that it was time for gus to go but that it's an unsavoury ending at least in part because of the way the club have chosen to act, even though FFP may call for such actions? That one can appreciate the job barber has to do while being critical of aspects of his decisions?

 

[Turkey]

Why do some people act like it is either/or, that you have to go all in on one side? what happened to nuance? Why do they seem to think if you're critical of aspects of the clubs handling of the saga you have to have wanted gus to stay, and have to hate barber and bloom? The whole situation is vague and probably complex (if the discussions of what constitute gross misconduct are anything to go by) why can't fans view of the situation also be complex and nuanced? Why can't people think the club's intentions are right, but the press releases were ill advised, that it was time for gus to go but that it's an unsavoury ending at least in part because of the way the club have chosen to act, even though FFP may call for such actions? That one can appreciate the job barber has to do while being critical of aspects of his decisions?

Very well said.

 

[m20gull]

Yes I know ;-).

Orpington is hardly a different part of the world......

some bits of it are