Albion agreed to Reading's offer for Gus Poyet?

[Lord Bracknell]

I very much agree with your post and in particular ..."My concern is that some have lost faith in the club...re other issues etc etc".

It is of great disappointment to me, that some of the FFA team and much respected posters on here, who did so much to help in the Withdean years, now appear to constantly criticise the club with thinly veiled attacks using hypothetical employment jargon and suggestions that they 'know' the truth. It is nauseating to see them do this. I view them the same as Gus.....did a huge amount to help transform this club.....and now appear bitter and twisted.

As with Gus...I wish they would just shut up and go quietly..... and keep their dignity.

I no more "know the truth" than Lord Hutton did when he published his Report into WMDs and the Iraq War. And this is turning out to be almost as complicated, with every major player, minor players and a lot of non-players all hoping that the "final version" will accord with how they wanted the story to be spun.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Why do some people act like it is either/or, that you have to go all in on one side? what happened to nuance? Why do they seem to think if you're critical of aspects of the clubs handling of the saga you have to have wanted gus to stay, and have to hate barber and bloom? The whole situation is vague and probably complex (if the discussions of what constitute gross misconduct are anything to go by) why can't fans view of the situation also be complex and nuanced? Why can't people think the club's intentions are right, but the press releases were ill advised, that it was time for gus to go but that it's an unsavoury ending at least in part because of the way the club have chosen to act, even though FFP may call for such actions? That one can appreciate the job barber has to do while being critical of aspects of his decisions?

This gets my vote for post of the month.

 

[ROSM]

Why do some people act like it is either/or, that you have to go all in on one side? what happened to nuance? Why do they seem to think if you're critical of aspects of the clubs handling of the saga you have to have wanted gus to stay, and have to hate barber and bloom? The whole situation is vague and probably complex (if the discussions of what constitute gross misconduct are anything to go by) why can't fans view of the situation also be complex and nuanced? Why can't people think the club's intentions are right, but the press releases were ill advised, that it was time for gus to go but that it's an unsavoury ending at least in part because of the way the club have chosen to act, even though FFP may call for such actions? That one can appreciate the job barber has to do while being critical of aspects of his decisions?

Spot on. I am not and never have been calling for Bloom out, but we have had some self inflicted wounds this summer and at times (probably unfairly) have given the impression of knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing.

We have got to be financially secure. We need to rescind ourselves from some poor previous decisions. And Gus needed to go. But the methods have not always been well thought through

 

[Da Man Clay]

That mail was neither misconduct nor gross misconduct. If it were, I am sure any Albion employees that saw it prior to being sent would also be subject to similar disciplinary actions.

It did serve the purpose however of putting some context to the clubs next actions.

I wonder if the mail it was in response to will ever be made public?

You're normally pretty reasonable ROSM but to suggest it wasn't even misconduct is pushing it a bit. You could argue over gross misconduct (and I'd argue not - though I could put a decent spin on gross misconduct if the original email was from PB), but misconduct it certainly is. You can't email the entirety of the clubs staff and criticise other parts of the organisation. You couldn't get away with it in my workplace and as a manger if it had come from my staff they'd be pretty quickly on the end of a disciplinary.

 

[B.W.]

I really don't get it. GP has gone. Its fun to speculate over things, but all this stuff about 'a little bit of my love for the club has died', and the various witterings in support of DK's criticism of TB . . . really . . .

Anyone want to start a 'Bloom Out' petition?

Not me, mister . . .

Nail. On. Head.

The agenda of these stalwart supporters needs to be questioned. Maybe too close to Knight? I am sick and tired of their sniping at the current board. Put up or shut up, but STOP making snide remarks based on very little, if anything.

 

[B.W.]

Why do some people act like it is either/or, that you have to go all in on one side? what happened to nuance? Why do they seem to think if you're critical of aspects of the clubs handling of the saga you have to have wanted gus to stay, and have to hate barber and bloom? The whole situation is vague and probably complex (if the discussions of what constitute gross misconduct are anything to go by) why can't fans view of the situation also be complex and nuanced? Why can't people think the club's intentions are right, but the press releases were ill advised, that it was time for gus to go but that it's an unsavoury ending at least in part because of the way the club have chosen to act, even though FFP may call for such actions? That one can appreciate the job barber has to do while being critical of aspects of his decisions?

OK. But maybe YOU and others should show a little more faith in Tony, Barber (Tony's appointee) and the board, especially keeping in mind what the former has done for our club, which IS the main reason why we are where we are today. Tony hired Gus (great decision) and, just maybe, he made a GOOD decision getting rid of him?

 

[ROSM]

You're normally pretty reasonable ROSM but to suggest it wasn't even misconduct is pushing it a bit. You could argue over gross misconduct (and I'd argue not - though I could put a decent spin on gross misconduct if the original email was from PB), but misconduct it certainly is. You can't email the entirety of the clubs staff and criticise other parts of the organisation. You couldn't get away with it in my workplace and as a manger if it had come from my staff they'd be pretty quickly on the end of a disciplinary.

Fair point. Perhaps I was being harh initially (re misconduct) but most likely it would be a written warning rather than a dismissal point. I still maintain it wasn't gross misconduct

As for b.w. I have no agenda, no more than you have. It is an opinion I have formed based on what I have seen, read and heard. Mostly the first two but a bit of third with comments from people giving views from both sides.

Its a different opinion from yours but I would hope it isn't snide or sniping.

 

[Da Man Clay]

Fair point. Perhaps I was being harh initially (re misconduct) but most likely it would be a written warning rather than a dismissal point. I still maintain it wasn't gross misconduct

As for b.w. I have no agenda, no more than you have. It is an opinion I have formed based on what I have seen, read and heard. Mostly the first two but a bit of third with comments from people giving views from both sides.

Its a different opinion from yours but I would hope it isn't snide or sniping.

Yep. Would agree either way you wouldn't be looking at dismissal for that single offence. I would imagine the club probably just added it to the list of other misdemeanours they already had.

 

[symyjym]

Yep. Would agree either way you wouldn't be looking at dismissal for that single offence. I would imagine the club probably just added it to the list of other misdemeanours they already had.

I don't know what is so complicated:

Gross misconduct; Most employers would identify intoxication (whether from drink or drugs), fighting or other physical abuse, indecent behaviour, theft, dishonesty, sabotage, serious breaches of health and safety rules, offensive behaviour (such as discrimination, harassment, bullying, abuse and violence) and gross insubordination as examples of gross misconduct.

Insubordination meaning; defiance, dereliction, disregard, dissension, indiscipline, infringement, insurrection, mutiny, noncompliance, noncooperation, nonobservance, rebellion, revolt, revolution.

Publicly misrepresenting and slaughtering the club is gross insubordination thus gross misconduct.

His email was unforgivable and it deserved more than a don't do it again warning.

 

[B.W.]

<< dupe! >>

 

[B.W.]

Fair point. Perhaps I was being harh initially (re misconduct) but most likely it would be a written warning rather than a dismissal point. I still maintain it wasn't gross misconduct

As for b.w. I have no agenda, no more than you have. It is an opinion I have formed based on what I have seen, read and heard. Mostly the first two but a bit of third with comments from people giving views from both sides.

Its a different opinion from yours but I would hope it isn't snide or sniping.

I just feel like we should ALL be getting behind the club, but instead we get endless speculation and, yes, sniping against the club. I expect this will die down once the season starts, especially if the team are doing well. Obviously, not everything the club does is perfect, but Gus' public comments were completely out of order, as was his refusal to do his job with the retained list. And that is his behaviour that is in the public domain. I wish I could share what I heard he did, but...

 

[Acker79]

OK. But maybe YOU and others should show a little more faith in Tony, Barber (Tony's appointee) and the board, especially keeping in mind what the former has done for our club, which IS the main reason why we are where we are today. Tony hired Gus (great decision) and, just maybe, he made a GOOD decision getting rid of him?

This is my point. Where have I said I don't have faith in tony, barber or the board? Where have I said getting rid of gus was a bad decision? Nuances, complexity. Stop acting like just because I am critical of press releases or feel fans are over stating gus's comments about other vacancies that it means I've forgotten or don't appreciate what bloom has done for the club, or that I disagree it was time for gus to go.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

This is my point. Where have I said I don't have faith in tony, barber or the board? Where have I said getting rid of gus was a bad decision? Nuances, complexity. Stop acting like just because I am critical of press releases or feel fans are over stating gus's comments about other vacancies that it means I've forgotten or don't appreciate what bloom has done for the club, or that disagree it was time for gus to go.

BW is well named. Everything is black or white with him. There are many differing opinions as there are shades of grey.

 

[Petunia]

BW is well named. Everything is black or white with him. There are many differing opinions as there are shades of grey.

Around 50, then

 

[B.W.]

This is my point. Where have I said I don't have faith in tony, barber or the board? Where have I said getting rid of gus was a bad decision? Nuances, complexity. Stop acting like just because I am critical of press releases or feel fans are over stating gus's comments about other vacancies that it means I've forgotten or don't appreciate what bloom has done for the club, or that I disagree it was time for gus to go.

Fair enough.

 

[B.W.]

BW is well named. Everything is black or white with him. There are many differing opinions as there are shades of grey.

Not really. I just don't understand the continuing Gus appreciation society, precisely because I put MORE FAITH in the club's board and its decision to sack him.

 

[drew]

or Nobby who decided Port Vale was a better bet.

Horton was just plain wrong in his thinking!

Sorry but I have to defend Nobby here. As far as I recall, it wasn't a case of thinking that Port Vale were a better bet it was just that was where he started his career and not far from where he was raised. It was a decision of the heart.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

BW is well named. Everything is black or white with him. There are many differing opinions as there are shades of grey.

Cobblers! B.W. has made the point that it is bonkers to say 'while TB has been brilliant for the club I can't help feeling that I have an need to moan and gripe about stuff about which I know bugger all', to paraphrase the wittering.

I sit on quite a lot of academic committees. All I can say is that, sadly, they are all just as ****ed up and full of primal scream as NSC. Lol!

Regards to all - let's have a good day at the Amex later, er, blimey, TODAY!

 

[Da Man Clay]

I don't know what is so complicated:

Gross misconduct; Most employers would identify intoxication (whether from drink or drugs), fighting or other physical abuse, indecent behaviour, theft, dishonesty, sabotage, serious breaches of health and safety rules, offensive behaviour (such as discrimination, harassment, bullying, abuse and violence) and gross insubordination as examples of gross misconduct.

Insubordination meaning; defiance, dereliction, disregard, dissension, indiscipline, infringement, insurrection, mutiny, noncompliance, noncooperation, nonobservance, rebellion, revolt, revolution.

Publicly misrepresenting and slaughtering the club is gross insubordination thus gross misconduct.

His email was unforgivable and it deserved more than a don't do it again warning.

I'm quite aware of what does, and doesn't, constitute gross misconduct. Trust me when I say that alone wouldn't have resulted in dismissal. Especially considering the circumstances around having just lost a massive game when emotions run high. That alone most certainly didn't get him sacked. If it did then we'd be quite rightly off to tribunal.

 

[marshy68]

Ugly unsure teyoP wasn't always accepted unemployment. I could go on....

What do you mean by that exactly as there are 2 paragraphs and I fail to see how they can be reversed!

Errr that poyet was the number one target was offered the job and Adkins was second choice. Eg the reverse of what you said