Albion agreed to Reading's offer for Gus Poyet?

[Lord Bracknell]

As someone else has said, Gus is gone and we move on.

However of one thing Im sure, Lord B has been the one consistent and honest person whose opinion I have been able to rely on the last ten years and if he believes things are not what many seem to think on here, I believe him.

Still, it's history and we cant go back. the die is cast.

There are well-placed folk who say they don't believe me. But you're right. It's history and we can't go back.

 

[Acker79]

I don't want to believe the version of events that I've heard, but, since it comes from several very well-informed sources, it seems very possible that it's true.

But you seem to not so much say "this is absolutely true, what everyone else is saying is wrong", you're seemingly saying what you tend to believe while acknowledging that it's not an undeniable fact. I should have said "most people" and maybe emphasised "absolutely certain without doubt".

 

[Baaaald]

A good article but surely no new news?

 

[TrickyOne]

I thought it was already known that the club gave him permission to talk to Reading? Am I imagining that??

He didn't go because either it didn't appeal given their almost certain relegation or because he thought that, having asked to speak to them, it would give him more bargaining power in future with the Albion.

This is how i understood things to have been. He seemed to lose interest when they lost 4-5 games on the bounce. Only what i heard tho'.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Poyet patently saw which way the wind was blowing at Reading and didn't much fancy a genuine challenge there. Regarded them as minnows unworthy of a god-like genius manager like himself. Pretty much the same way he saw the Albion really.

 

[Ernest]

Poyet patently saw which way the wind was blowing at Reading and didn't much fancy a genuine challenge there. Regarded them as minnows unworthy of a god-like genius manager like himself. Pretty much the same way he saw the Albion really.

He was right about Reading, they were doomed so knew he would only get a few meaningless matches in the Prem to whore his 'talents' out.

 

[Seagull73]

Pretty much the same way he saw the Albion really.

 

[Questions]

There are well-placed folk who say they don't believe me. But you're right. It's history and we can't go back.

The truth is pretty mundane really. Barely gross misconduct but there you are....as stated before, the die is cast.

 

[Biscuit]

The truth will never be public knowledge I shouldn't think. So I'm going to quit while I'm ahead and resign myself to what Lord B has said.

 

[drew]

Firstly, I'm not in the know nor am I in with anyone who claims to be. As for the OP, it is made to sound like Poyet is a player we may like to sell! My take is that we had a compensation package written into the contract (sometimes reported as being about £2.5m). I very much suspect that Poyet had a clause in the contract that required the club to notify if any premiership club made an approach. Reading would have been aware of the compensation and, as they were a premiership club when they approached, the club would have been required to notify Poyet (or risk being in breach of contract!). It was obvious to all on sundry that Reading were going down but anyone taking the job at that stage would have done so on the basis that following relegation they would have had the parachute payments to help fund a swift return (despite the statistics for quick promotion back to the premier league suggesting otherwise).

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Seriously, don't make assumptions about the truth with your Gus-tinted spectacles.

Ah, the colour of Gus I previously assumed that Gus was fired because he had spoken to Reading without permission. That at least would match a 'gross misconduct' charge. There seem to be a number of respected people here saying that we did give permission to speak to him, with the possibility now floated that the board wanted him to go. So where that leaves this situation now I really don't know.

The irony is that people got upset with him for apparently wanting to jump ship, and yet if this is true the club wanted him gone and he wanted to stay. He was the eighth longest serving manager in the country, had apparently turned down a higher-level club on more than one occasion (unlike Coppell, Horton, Adams), and yet and yet and yet :bangs head:

he's gone, no-one knows why, c'est la football.

 

[BHseagull]

I have heard a different side to the story. From a player who no longer plays for us, but played under Poyet.

Poyet was about to take the Reading job but Tony Bloom promised him a big budget for the next season whatever happened. Poyet rejected Reading...

...shortly before the end of the season, Barber/bloom told Poyet that there wouldn't be the budget he had been promised (down to FFP). Toys went out of the pram as you can imagine.

You know the rest.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Ah, the colour of Gus I previously assumed that Gus was fired because he had spoken to Reading without permission. That at least would match a 'gross misconduct' charge. There seem to be a number of respected people here saying that we did give permission to speak to him, with the possibility now floated that the board wanted him to go. So where that leaves this situation now I really don't know.

The irony is that people got upset with him for apparently wanting to jump ship, and yet if this is true the club wanted him gone and he wanted to stay. He was the eighth longest serving manager in the country, had apparently turned down a higher-level club on more than one occasion (unlike Coppell, Horton, Adams), and yet and yet and yet :bangs head:

he's gone, no-one knows why, c'est la football.

Good assumption. Not Reading.

 

[Bladders]

I know what happened and am dying to openly discuss it on here. Alas I cannot elaborate on the gross misconduct. Maddening isn't it. Never mind...... Us in the know will just have to live with it.

Knowing what you know, do you agree with the outcome?

Yes most definetly.

The truth is pretty mundane really. Barely gross misconduct but there you are....as stated before, the die is cast.

Make your mind up!

 

[Acker79]

The irony is that people got upset with him for apparently wanting to jump ship, and yet if this is true the club wanted him gone and he wanted to stay. He was the eighth longest serving manager in the country, had apparently turned down a higher-level club on more than one occasion (unlike Coppell, Horton, Adams), and yet and yet and yet :bangs head:

While I think people overstate or exaggerate his comments about other jobs, just because he didn't want to go to reading doesn't mean he wanted to stay. And the two higher level clubs I know of that he turned down were both with clubs who were not going to stay higher level, wolves and reading, who would drop down and some would say were not exactly steps up in terms of club size (though I think that would be looking through seagull coloured glasses).

This situation is probably not so straight forward as only one side wants it to end, and if you hear the club wanted him to go, it doesn't automatically mean he wanted to stay.

 

[B.W.]

Ah, the colour of Gus I previously assumed that Gus was fired because he had spoken to Reading without permission. That at least would match a 'gross misconduct' charge. There seem to be a number of respected people here saying that we did give permission to speak to him, with the possibility now floated that the board wanted him to go. So where that leaves this situation now I really don't know.

The irony is that people got upset with him for apparently wanting to jump ship, and yet if this is true the club wanted him gone and he wanted to stay. He was the eighth longest serving manager in the country, had apparently turned down a higher-level club on more than one occasion (unlike Coppell, Horton, Adams), and yet and yet and yet :bangs head:

he's gone, no-one knows why, c'est la football.

I see the irony but it is based on a HUGE 'IF'.

Green (with envy of anyone managing in the Prem) is the colour of Gus!

 

[Dave the OAP]

from what I was told, the OP has it dead right.

 

[Sergei's Celebration]

As has been said before and above each persons understanding has been provided from someone within the club or on the periphery; be it the old Knight Club who MAY have an axe to grind against the new regime over AITC, an old player who Gus MAY have sacked or someone close to Barber who MAY think Gus was a complete tit. What i am trying to say is nothing we hear is independent there is always a level of bias to it. The only people who know the whole truth are Tony, the board, Paul, Rose and Gus and their respective representations.

 

[Acker79]

As has been said before and above each persons understanding has been provided from someone within the club or on the periphery; be it the old Knight Club who MAY have an axe to grind against the new regime over AITC, an old player who Gus MAY have sacked or someone close to Barber who MAY think Gus was a complete tit. What i am trying to say is nothing we hear is independent there is always a level of bias to it. The only people who know the whole truth are Tony, the board, Paul, Rose and Gus and their respective representations.

Indeed, and even tony, the board, gus, Paul and their representatives will have their own biases too. I'm assuming rose is the hr person who will have heard both sides so might have some idea as to what the truth is by reading between the two sides version of events, but even that is guess work. It's the Rashomon effect.

 

[Sergei's Celebration]

Indeed, and even tony, the board, gus, Paul and their representatives will have their own biases too. I'm assuming rose is the hr person who will have heard both sides so might have some idea as to what the truth is by reading between the two sides version of events, but even that is guess work. It's the Rashomon effect.

Just had to research this and thank you for bringing to my attention. This is exactly what i mean "observers of an event are able to produce substantially different but equally plausible accounts of it" and "contradictory interpretations of the same events by different persons"

Yes Rose Read is the head of HR (http://www.seagulls.co.uk/news/article/whos-who-239162.aspx), was HR manager at Sussex CCC and by all accounts is the one that has been making sure its all been done above board, in line with his contract and the law whilst protecting the club. It would have been her and her team doing the interviews of all the players and staff during the suspension.

Again thank you for the education on the Rashomon Effect.