Accept the season is OVER

[Happy Seagull]

Hang on a tick.

If your engineering company supplies panels for Ford capri's which is 90% of your income and someone comes along and says, can you supply me with 300 panels for a Rolls Royce, and by doing so you stop all production to the Capri owners club to satisfy this one customer who will probably never buy off you again as the panels are a bit shoddy. Would you be surprised if the Capri owners club suddenly said....actually, the contract we have with you is crap and we will buy 1 panel a time when needed.

How long do you recon you would stay in business?

we are living in the real world and whether you like it or not STH's are the life blood of this club

Prove to me that us STH provide 90% of our income and i'll read the rest of that.

 

[Dave the OAP]

If you can't afford to be a STH that is one thing. But i'm talking about all the people threatening not to renew simply because the club didn't make sure they got a ticket ahead of other Albion fans.

mate I am not picking on you here, BUT, if you had forked out £1200 for your family and someone who had been to 1 game in his/her life at Millwall. got a stub and they got a ticket and you didnt how would you feel?

 

[Dave the OAP]

Prove to me that us STH provide 90% of our income and i'll read the rest of that.

I have just said that if 4000 people renew, we would get appx £1.6million in and we are losing £500k a season. That is not rocket science

 

[Simster]

If you can't afford to be a STH that is one thing. But i'm talking about all the people threatening not to renew simply because the club didn't make sure they got a ticket ahead of other Albion fans.

But HS, there are a lot of people who will have wavered about getting a season ticket after relegation and taken the plunge out of loyalty. If those people failed to get West Ham tickets (the one glory game in the middle of a mediocre season) then surely they are entitled to conclude that there is nothing to be gained in renewing next time round. They might well decide to go to some matches next season, but pick and choose the matches they attend. Meanwhile, the club doesn't have its cash up front any more.

 

[rool]

Unless you want to continue sitting with your mates in the same seat every week I cannot see that a season ticket at Withdean is necessary any longer. You may get a discount but having to pay so early or putting it on a credit card negates a bit of that, and in my case there was always a couple of fixtures I couldn't make and ended up giving the tickets away.

What exactly are the other benefits the club have to offer to tempt people to renew or even get new applications?.

 

[Happy Seagull]

I have just said that if 4000 people renew, we would get appx £1.6million in and we are losing £500k a season. That is not rocket science

And if roughly 1300 pay on the day don't turn up, thats 750,000 lost. Can we afford to gamble everything on STH when in our finacially position?

 

[Kenhead]

We are having a job to get people to pay £15, so tell me how you are going to attract the supporters who may or may not decide to go ?
By declaring the season is over and it is not important ?

It didn't seem to much of a problem yesterday, but aswell as the blackpool sky game we are not performing to our full potinetal that we have it others (ie. Swansea) to get people back. My point is that in terms of value for money we are not the worse club in terms of lack of it, barnet will stay up and chargeing what they are will only turn people away.

The best bet for the club in the new year is do a bring a friend deal rather than reduce tickets singly as that would annoy some STH's and will help bring more people to withdean

 

[Happy Seagull]

mate I am not picking on you here, BUT, if you had forked out £1200 for your family and someone who had been to 1 game in his/her life at Millwall. got a stub and they got a ticket and you didnt how would you feel?

Of course you should feel gutted, but you should feel gutted you're missing an Albion game, not because you have put X amount of cash into the club. You know what you're getting when you buy a STH at the start of the season, a ticket to 23 home games and priority on home cup games. Why moan then when you don't get priority for an away cup game when you already knew you wouldn't?

 

[Kenhead]

mate I am not picking on you here, BUT, if you had forked out £1200 for your family and someone who had been to 1 game in his/her life at Millwall. got a stub and they got a ticket and you didnt how would you feel?

Id like to see a system put in that if you can prove that you go to 25+ games a season that gives a weeks priority to apply for tickets

 

[Dave the OAP]

And if roughly 1300 pay on the day don't turn up, thats 750,000 lost. Can we afford to gamble everything on STH when in our finacially position?

ok, this is my last word as we are gojng round in circles, however we have been tld we sold approx 4500 ST this year.

Our average gate is say 5500.

therefore we have appx 80% STH's at each game.

our average away attendance is say 500

If we assume that 50% of them are STH therefore 250 fans who are not STH's travel away.

We have tailored our FA Cup/Big Game ticketting policy for 250 fans( and those who cant be arsed to go to most games but are only there as glory hunters)

Fair enough, if that is what the supporters club, who had the meeting with the board, suggest then who are we to argue.

Personally I think it is totally crap and the club have failed its benefactors.

How much it will hurt the club depends on the level of renewals and we shall of course wait and see.

On a positive note, I thought Rents had a decent game yesterday

 

[the right footed denilson]

i thought this geezer had left

 

[chez]

And also, in our defeats we've still shown signs of good football, whereas with Mcgoo we were mostly shit win, lose or draw.

Who gives a monkeys what the footballs like as long as we were getting results,and we were with McGhee. He's gone and unlikely to return while DK is in charge so lets remember him for the exceptional things he done with this club and support Wendy for now.

 

[Happy Seagull]

ok, this is my last word as we are gojng round in circles, however we have been tld we sold approx 4500 ST this year.

Our average gate is say 5500.

therefore we have appx 80% STH's at each game.

our average away attendance is say 500

If we assume that 50% of them are STH therefore 250 fans who are not STH's travel away.

We have tailored our FA Cup/Big Game ticketting policy for 250 fans( and those who cant be arsed to go to most games but are only there as glory hunters)

Fair enough, if that is what the supporters club, who had the meeting with the board, suggest then who are we to argue.

Personally I think it is totally crap and the club have failed its benefactors.

How much it will hurt the club depends on the level of renewals and we shall of course wait and see.

On a positive note, I thought Rents had a decent game yesterday

I appreciate your opinion Dave. But we have to remember it's hard for us to operate as a 'normal' club. Most clubs will reward the STH each year, and when we get Falmer i'd expect us to do the same. But at the moment we're in a financial mess, and can't afford to alienate any fan by giving priority to others.

 

[Jim in the West]

ok, this is my last word as we are gojng round in circles, however we have been tld we sold approx 4500 ST this year.

Our average gate is say 5500.

therefore we have appx 80% STH's at each game.

our average away attendance is say 500

If we assume that 50% of them are STH therefore 250 fans who are not STH's travel away.

We have tailored our FA Cup/Big Game ticketting policy for 250 fans( and those who cant be arsed to go to most games but are only there as glory hunters)

Fair enough, if that is what the supporters club, who had the meeting with the board, suggest then who are we to argue.

Personally I think it is totally crap and the club have failed its benefactors.

How much it will hurt the club depends on the level of renewals and we shall of course wait and see.

On a positive note, I thought Rents had a decent game yesterday

Every thread I read turns out to be a "West Ham ticket policy in disguise" thread. However, it's still worth stating that in my opinion you are dead right, Dave - and hopefully the club will recognise the error of their ways and change the policy pronto.

 

[jakes right boot]

I appreciate your opinion Dave. But we have to remember it's hard for us to operate as a 'normal' club. Most clubs will reward the STH each year, and when we get Falmer i'd expect us to do the same. But at the moment we're in a financial mess, and can't afford to alienate any fan by giving priority to others.

which is why the club did 50/50. What the club shouldn't have done was say that applications handed in at the Swansea game would be ok when they clearly weren't and the club should apologise for that.

 

[Skint Gull]

This thread is a load of SHIT!

McGhee clearly did a good job for a period of time with the Albion and anyone who disputes that is a FUCKWIT!

But, his time to depart had arrived as he'd lost the dressing room and the fans.

Wilkins is clearly doing a good job with a group of very young players. Of course they're not gonna storm the league because at that age inconsistent performances is completely normal.

All this talk of points per game under each manager is absolute bullshit! Wilkins has got a group of talented players playing very well on a fairly regular basis and lets be honest, yesterdays result owed a lot to the fact that the more EXPERIANCED players (especially Chippy) didn't play well.

So long as Wilkins has the sense to drop Chippy regardless of whether or not Hammond is fit again for the upcoming games, we will be challenging on the fringes of the playoffs this season even if we don't actually get in them.

Speilberg just accept that McGhee's gone because he had to. Dowie did well for a while at Palace (unfortunately!), Megson did well at West Brom, Burley did well at Ipswich and Pardew did well at West Ham but sometimes it's just time for a change, it doesn't mean they're necessarily a bad manager!

 

[Billy the Fish]

Every other club in the league gives priority to STH's, always have done, always will do. If you can't afford one or can't make it to every game then tough shit.

 

[Happy Seagull]

which is why the club did 50/50. What the club shouldn't have done was say that applications handed in at the Swansea game would be ok when they clearly weren't and the club should apologise for that.

I fully agree.

 

[Rookie]

Ignoring all the shit about I'm a better fan than you ....

Why is our season Over by my thinking we are about 7 or so points from the play offs, Chelsea are 5 points from Man Utd but there season isn't over. Granted we were cack on the most part yesterday but give Wilkins the transfer window to get a few faces in either purchase or long term loan and string a few results together can't see any reason we won't be in the play off scence. Would hope Bowditch will get fit and we get him until the end of the season and I think that could be the difference

 

[El Presidente]

If the Cup game against West Ham had been at HOME do you think we would have to read through this tediousness?