Accept the season is OVER

[mona]

It was a disappointing defeat at Bristol for sure, but they were embarking on a run that would take them to the automatic promotion spots, they are one of the two main powerhouse teams of the league we are in. Do you think Doncaster and Port Vale are? These were of course glorious defeats

Yeah but surely Bristol City had over half their team out that day injured and suspended.
I felt McGhee started to lose interest in the job at the time of Luton away. By all means make the point that McGhee did an excellent job when he took over from Booker's slump and he recognized the potential of Virgo, Hinsh, Hammond, Harding (like Hinsh senior) and the unlucky Piercy.
Please PLEASE lets not get into the McGhee v Dean Wilkins argument.
Give Dean time and a better contract.

 

[algie]

It was a disappointing defeat at Bristol for sure, but they were embarking on a run that would take them to the automatic promotion spots, they are one of the two main powerhouse teams of the league we are in. Do you think Doncaster and Port Vale are? These were of course glorious defeats

Have you seen Doncaster's record lately?They are flying

 

[e77]

Like the Kuipers v Henderson debate, the McGhee v Wilkins debate is academic as Henderson and Wilkins are the men in possession and deserve our support.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Surely we're not back on the Mghee/ Wilkins story again are we?

Records are not comparable. McGhee had a better team but was a division up. Wilkins has had less games. I really couldn't tell you which is better.

I said mid-table at the start of the season and that's where we'll finish. That WILL be an achievement with this tyeam and I will be hopeful of challenging for play-offs (but not going up till we have Falmer) next season.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

oh i wasn't giving mcghee all the credit, i was just disputing the claim that it was "coppells team", as it clearly wasn't(admitadly our top scorer was signed by him). and of course hinsh and wilkins should get credit for bringing the likes of harding and virgo through, but really, if there's one thing you can give mcghee a LOT of credit for, it's the fact that he DID put a lot of trust in youth

hinshelwood
virgo
harding
elphick
robinson
mcphee
hammond
cox


are all players who were given debuts/given a proper chance by mcghee(there would be others)

Elphick was thrown in at the deep end away to Reading, got sent off then was off loaded to St Albans a few months later. Not really giving youth a chance.. Virgo was given his debut by Adams, Hammond was given his debut by Hinshelwood. McGhee gave some of them a chance but not all of them.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

ok, this is my last word as we are gojng round in circles, however we have been tld we sold approx 4500 ST this year.

Our average gate is say 5500.

therefore we have appx 80% STH's at each game.

our average away attendance is say 500

If we assume that 50% of them are STH therefore 250 fans who are not STH's travel away.

We have tailored our FA Cup/Big Game ticketting policy for 250 fans( and those who cant be arsed to go to most games but are only there as glory hunters)

Fair enough, if that is what the supporters club, who had the meeting with the board, suggest then who are we to argue.

Personally I think it is totally crap and the club have failed its benefactors.

How much it will hurt the club depends on the level of renewals and we shall of course wait and see.

On a positive note, I thought Rents had a decent game yesterday

Rents and El-Abd left the ball for each other for Yeovil's first goal!

So Dave how would you propose to divide up any future away ticket allocations for big games?

 

[Dave the OAP]

So Dave how would you propose to divide up any future away ticket allocations for big games?

I would give all the tickets to the supporters club and let them distribute them themselves

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Rents and El-Abd left the ball for each other for Yeovil's first goal!

So Dave how would you propose to divide up any future away ticket allocations for big games?

I think the club should give Beach Hut a few, then put all the rest on e-Bay.

 

[cjd]

ok, this is my last word as we are gojng round in circles, however we have been tld we sold approx 4500 ST this year.

Our average gate is say 5500.

therefore we have appx 80% STH's at each game.

our average away attendance is say 500

If we assume that 50% of them are STH therefore 250 fans who are not STH's travel away.

We have tailored our FA Cup/Big Game ticketting policy for 250 fans( and those who cant be arsed to go to most games but are only there as glory hunters)

Fair enough, if that is what the supporters club, who had the meeting with the board, suggest then who are we to argue.

Personally I think it is totally crap and the club have failed its benefactors.

How much it will hurt the club depends on the level of renewals and we shall of course wait and see.

On a positive note, I thought Rents had a decent game yesterday

Agree 100% with your views.......absolutely ludicrous that our FA CUP/Big Game policy is for approximately 250 fans.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

The writing has been on the wall for some time. The ridiculous claims of people a couple of weeks ago " we will reach the play offs " has been shot down in flames and its just as well for make no mistake if this side somehow got promoted to the championship via the play offs it would get the lowest points total in a season for any side in any division. I would reckon about 15.

We need to accept the fact this side is at best a middle table Division 3 side. We have no assets, we have 3 or 4 players who have come up through the youth set up who we could sell for money, Robinson, Cox and the vastly overrated Lynch but the rest are triers no doubt but have found their level at mid table div 3. Now that is no small achievement for a team of youthers.

We will have our day out at West Ham and the inevitable 3 or 4 nil defeat and may even reach the paint pot pointless final as if anyone really cares so it has not been a season of total disaster but I still worry about Wilkins, the guy has not taken the team forward since the outrageous sacking of McGhee and I still doubt very much he is the man long term he lacks contacts and gravitas and is too buddy buddy with his boys to be dispassionate about their abilities.

Wilkins league record

Played 18 Won 7 Drawn 3 Lost 8 Points 24

I do worry with an uninspiring season of div 3 and truely shocking home form and performances in particular at the Shitedean what the renewals will be next year, little over 3000 I would think.

Just accept the fact mid/lower half div 3 is out level at the moment and this will never change now until those bastards at LDC fail and we can build our new ground.

So basically because we lose at home to a very good Yeovil side that should be in the playoffs at least by the end of the season, our season is a right off?
You also slag off a promising group of youngsters as finding their level in division 3 when they have only just started off the careers. You also think Wilkins is too buddy buddy with his boys, when it has been obvious in matches since he took over that he is not frightened to make changes to the side.
You also question his lack of contacts in football, I think he has done reasonably well in the loan signings he got for us so far in his short management career.
You are obviously in love with McGhee, he still lives in Brighton apparently, why don't you find out where he lives, move in with him. You can then go out shopping with him on Saturdays, thus avoiding the dreadful football and shit that you think that Wilkins is producing.
Oh and Happy New Year!

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

I would give all the tickets to the supporters club and let them distribute them themselves

I think LI has the best suggestion perhaps do it 60/40 or 70/30 in favour of STH.

 

[dougdeep]

Make them queue for 5 hours like they did for Spurs.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Re: Re: Accept the season is OVER

Oh and Happy New Year! [/B]

I sense anger, resentment, misery, distrust and also a lack of scalextric at Chrismas

 

[jakes right boot]

ok, this is my last word as we are gojng round in circles, however we have been tld we sold approx 4500 ST this year.

Our average gate is say 5500.

therefore we have appx 80% STH's at each game.

our average away attendance is say 500

If we assume that 50% of them are STH therefore 250 fans who are not STH's travel away.

We have tailored our FA Cup/Big Game ticketting policy for 250 fans( and those who cant be arsed to go to most games but are only there as glory hunters)

Fair enough, if that is what the supporters club, who had the meeting with the board, suggest then who are we to argue.

Personally I think it is totally crap and the club have failed its benefactors.

How much it will hurt the club depends on the level of renewals and we shall of course wait and see.

The club have said that there are 4000 STH.
11% of those are regular away gamers.
Therefore 440 of the average 500 awayers are STH.

 

[Dave the OAP]

The club have said that there are 4000 STH.
11% of those are regular away gamers.
Therefore 440 of the average 500 awayers are STH.

so we have based our FA Cup ticketting policy around the needs of 60 fans

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Re: Re: Re: Accept the season is OVER

I sense anger, resentment, misery, distrust and also a lack of scalextric at Chrismas

No mate I am very optimistic about our current crop of youngsters and new manager, it's Uncle S who is angry, resentful, miserable and distrusting!
Didn't get a Scaletrix got some Meccano instead!

 

[Dave the OAP]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Accept the season is OVER

No mate I am very optimistic about our current crop of youngsters and new manager, it's Uncle S who is angry, resentful, miserable and distrusting!
Didn't get a Scaletrix got some Meccano instead!

I did mean Gareth

Meccano - ooh ooh can I come round and play? I used to have the one where you could make a crane from Sunderland Docks. It used to lift stuff n all

 

[ROSM]

ok, this is my last word as we are gojng round in circles, however we have been tld we sold approx 4500 ST this year.

Our average gate is say 5500.

therefore we have appx 80% STH's at each game.

our average away attendance is say 500

If we assume that 50% of them are STH therefore 250 fans who are not STH's travel away.

We have tailored our FA Cup/Big Game ticketting policy for 250 fans( and those who cant be arsed to go to most games but are only there as glory hunters)

Fair enough, if that is what the supporters club, who had the meeting with the board, suggest then who are we to argue.

Personally I think it is totally crap and the club have failed its benefactors.

How much it will hurt the club depends on the level of renewals and we shall of course wait and see.

On a positive note, I thought Rents had a decent game yesterday

I've kept out of this debate until now. However I think there needs to be some realism here.

I don't agree with the way that tickets are allocated at the moment. I would either prefer a scheme where by points are awarded for away games (1 point) and home cup games (2 points) attended with season ticket holders getting say a ten point start. That meaning if it was 1 point per game - those who only go to away games would need to go to 10 games to level out that start.

Points would be deducted from those born outside of sussex and with more than 10,000 posts on NSC.

However the most obvious flaw with that is that not so great away games (like rochdale midweek) are not usually all ticket or have tickets sold by the club so these people need to be rewarded too.

Then there is the cost of such a scheme. Not great once we have an improved ticketing system with a good CRM software but probably alareg cost in isolation.

But the point that has to be made is that the tickets have been allocated in line WITH A PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED POLICY - bar the 900 who attended millwall for the jpt game. This policy was bought into play after the whingefest that followed the spurs cup tie and also the whinge fest that followed the big game before that and the big game before that and so on and so on.

The point I am making is that the scheme will always have winners and losers. Where demand exceeds supply - somebody will always miss out. I missed out for grimsby away back in 2003. But that this wasn't dreamed up on the hoof - this was a previously announced plan.

But to blame the supporters club is extremely harsh in this instance. They were one of a number of people who would have been consulted and to single them out is unfair.

And the sarcastic aside in this post does nothing to promote healthy debate. It's just a bit of blame culture which in this instance is unfair.

Interestingly - I believe the 50% figure was based on those who had bought tickets for big all ticket away matches (like those under coppell and taylor and adams previously) where demand and supply were met. In those 'no ballot' instances it was roughly 50% of tickets to season ticket holders and 50% to ams members.

But I dont buy my season ticket in order to get priority for away games. I buy it so that I can be guaranteed my seat and also as there is a slight discount rather than buying game by game.

 

[El Presidente]

I think LI has the best suggestion perhaps do it 60/40 or 70/30 in favour of STH.

After guaranteeing Beach Hut his tickets as he clearly deserves them more than anyone else, I think it should be 68.4781% to STH, and 31.5219% to AMS....approximately.

 

[cjd]

I've kept out of this debate until now. However I think there needs to be some realism here.

I don't agree with the way that tickets are allocated at the moment. I would either prefer a scheme where by points are awarded for away games (1 point) and home cup games (2 points) attended with season ticket holders getting say a ten point start. That meaning if it was 1 point per game - those who only go to away games would need to go to 10 games to level out that start.

Points would be deducted from those born outside of sussex and with more than 10,000 posts on NSC.

However the most obvious flaw with that is that not so great away games (like rochdale midweek) are not usually all ticket or have tickets sold by the club so these people need to be rewarded too.

Then there is the cost of such a scheme. Not great once we have an improved ticketing system with a good CRM software but probably alareg cost in isolation.

But the point that has to be made is that the tickets have been allocated in line WITH A PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED POLICY - bar the 900 who attended millwall for the jpt game. This policy was bought into play after the whingefest that followed the spurs cup tie and also the whinge fest that followed the big game before that and the big game before that and so on and so on.

The point I am making is that the scheme will always have winners and losers. Where demand exceeds supply - somebody will always miss out. I missed out for grimsby away back in 2003. But that this wasn't dreamed up on the hoof - this was a previously announced plan.

But to blame the supporters club is extremely harsh in this instance. They were one of a number of people who would have been consulted and to single them out is unfair.

And the sarcastic aside in this post does nothing to promote healthy debate. It's just a bit of blame culture which in this instance is unfair.

Interestingly - I believe the 50% figure was based on those who had bought tickets for big all ticket away matches (like those under coppell and taylor and adams previously) where demand and supply were met. In those 'no ballot' instances it was roughly 50% of tickets to season ticket holders and 50% to ams members.

But I dont buy my season ticket in order to get priority for away games. I buy it so that I can be guaranteed my seat and also as there is a slight discount rather than buying game by game.

I take all your points on board, and as usual, you have put them very eloquently indeed. However, the tickets were NOT distributed as per the "policy". ( the 900 tickets for Millwall stubs). I agree that Martin Perry changed the "policy" after the "whingefest" following the Spurs game......but if I had suggested that I personally receive All the tickets....would he have agreed...?...No, of course not. It was his job to take on board the suggestions and then decide what was the best, and fairest system. In his infinite wisdom, he decided to allocate 50% of future "big game" tickets to AMS members....!!! Is he mad....?? How many AMS members are there.... at least 5,000 I would suggest and probably more. The aim should have been to make sure, that those 500 or so loyal supporters who regularly support the Albion away got a ticket. Mr Perry,s system does absolutely nothing to ensure this..!! In consequence of his poor "policy" and decisions, a number of good supporters are left wondering what idiot is running this club. I say it again......I wonder, after 8 years, is he really capable of delivering Falmer....?