Scotty Mac
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that is the ONLY part of that that i dont agree with
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that is the ONLY part of that that i dont agree with
ATFC Seagull
Aberystwyth Town FC
Well thats the first time I've seen this thread and I can confirm nothings being made up here. Having stuff said in the street is a world away from banter going on in the ground. What Pat is referring to is another lad with us being barged into and squared upto, having abuse shouted in his face and looking like he was going to go for it till his mate pulled him away. Of course it's not the biggest crisis in the world, but I don't think anyone made it out to be. And maybe having that kind of stuff happen is your idea of "the whole match day experience", but I think some people would prefer to travel to football without it...
We were approached by a 'pools fan after the game moaning about Bas's moonwalk. 'Shouldn't have done it in front of the main stand - completely disrepectful - should have just taken your points and left the field'. No mention of Elphick though.
On reflection, I guess Bas was telling Wilkins in his own way that he should have been on from the start. I'm sure there was nothing disrepectful meant.
On reflection, I guess Bas was telling Wilkins in his own way that he should have been on from the start. I'm sure there was nothing disrepectful meant.
BensGrandad
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He always does it, as highlighted on Soccer Am on Sky, so why should that game have been any different.
The respect was paid before the game to Michael Maidens and when the whistle goes for the kick off it is back to normal as regards the game.
The respect was paid before the game to Michael Maidens and when the whistle goes for the kick off it is back to normal as regards the game.
The Large One
Who's Next?
Pools retire Maidens' number 25
Hartlepool are to retire their number 25 shirt following the death of young midfielder Michael Maidens in a road traffic accident. All the Pools players wore his surname on the back of their shirts for Saturday's 2-1 defeat by Brighton. However, the club has now confirmed plans to retire his shirt number.
The only other English clubs to retire numbers for deceased players are Manchester City (23 for Marc-Vivien Foe) and QPR (31 for Ray Jones).
"The minute's silence on Saturday was immaculately observed," chief executive Russ Green told Pools' website. "It was an incredibly moving tribute to a very special young man. Football fans get a lot of bad press, but the way people have rallied round in the wake of this tragedy has been very touching."
Hartlepool are to retire their number 25 shirt following the death of young midfielder Michael Maidens in a road traffic accident. All the Pools players wore his surname on the back of their shirts for Saturday's 2-1 defeat by Brighton. However, the club has now confirmed plans to retire his shirt number.
The only other English clubs to retire numbers for deceased players are Manchester City (23 for Marc-Vivien Foe) and QPR (31 for Ray Jones).
"The minute's silence on Saturday was immaculately observed," chief executive Russ Green told Pools' website. "It was an incredibly moving tribute to a very special young man. Football fans get a lot of bad press, but the way people have rallied round in the wake of this tragedy has been very touching."
Barker clearly had a problem with every Brighton player. At half time he was the one trying to get at Cox and Whing.
Hartlepool where a very physical team trying to intimidate us and they didnt like it when our players stood up for each other.
I didn't see what Elphick did, but Barker was out to get him at the final whistle. I used to have respect for Barker from his Albion days and standing with us in the away end at Mansfield, but perhaps him becoming a regular goal scorer and a bit of a hero has turned him into a jerk! He never got any stick in his days at the Albion, yet when you look back on it he was pretty dire. He also got plenty of applause and singing his name during the early minutes of the game on Saturday!
Hartlepool where a very physical team trying to intimidate us and they didnt like it when our players stood up for each other.
I didn't see what Elphick did, but Barker was out to get him at the final whistle. I used to have respect for Barker from his Albion days and standing with us in the away end at Mansfield, but perhaps him becoming a regular goal scorer and a bit of a hero has turned him into a jerk! He never got any stick in his days at the Albion, yet when you look back on it he was pretty dire. He also got plenty of applause and singing his name during the early minutes of the game on Saturday!
magoo
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Have i missed something? can someone explain to me why it's so disrespectful to kiss the black arm-band?
Because, if he did it, he was taking the piss.
Don't know if it was the same bloke but we were CONFRONTED in the street after the game by someone VERY upset with the 'banter' that went on at the final whistle.
It was all handbags and it all calmed down after he was led away by his mates, only to be JUMPED on by around 5 coppers who manhandled him away down the road.
saltash seagull
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the bear did seem a bit wound up throught he game,remember when elabd went to shake his hand after we were given a foul in the 1st half he totally blanked him
Barrel of Fun
Abort, retry, fail
http://www.pooliebunker.co.uk/newbunker/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10383
They seem to be very sure of the 'facts', even to wish career ending injuries on Elphick and Whing.
They seem to be very sure of the 'facts', even to wish career ending injuries on Elphick and Whing.
Perry Milkins
Just a quiet guy.
http://www.pooliebunker.co.uk/newbunker/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10383
They seem to be very sure of the 'facts', even to wish career ending injuries on Elphick and Whing.
All the spawn of emotion.
eastlondonseagull
Well-known member
They're just upset. It looks like they went into the game in the wrong frame of mind. And they'll realise that in time.
The fact is they got beaten by a great solo surge from Bas and a fine, fine finish. Just watched the highlights on Seagulls World and our fans are class at the end. Loads of you there, well done everyone
.
The fact is they got beaten by a great solo surge from Bas and a fine, fine finish. Just watched the highlights on Seagulls World and our fans are class at the end. Loads of you there, well done everyone
.
Mellor 3 Ward 4
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Ok, my take on Saturday, both the match itself and what did/didn't happen afterwards...
I thought the back 4 looked solid, El Abd and Elphick were both excellent - although quite how El Abd missed the header in front of us I'm not sure. He was no more that 6/8 yards out with a free header at an empty net. Lucky for him it didn't cost us.
I thought Richards looked OK - could have scored but good save from the keeper.
Sending off. Too far away to comment, happened very quickly, Cox went in hard - probably the only tackle he made all day - and their guy reacted. No real complaints from their lot from what I could see.
Midfield. Not convinced on the Fraser/Hammond partnership on this showing. They did however put themselves about against a pretty physical side.
Wide players - both poor. Martot is simply not good enough IMO. I would start Jake there, and reconsider who we start with up front. I'd go for Forster and Savage at the moment, when/if both are fit and well. Revell works hard and challenges for everything which I like but to be honest can't see him scoring many.
In the second half we should have finished the game long before the pen - we had a 3 on one, where Cox passed to Robinson, when it should have gone right - perhaps Cox knows Martot is gash and that's why he went for Jake, enen though it was the wrong option.
Support - excellent - not sure of the away figure but maybe as many as 500,which for such a long (and expensive) journey is pretty good.
Minutes silence. Very well observed.
Richie Barker. Quick acknowledgemnt to us when the Albion fans sung his name in the first half. Otherwise pretty useless - he certainly wouldn't get in our side.
Handbags etc. When Bas scored he ran to the dug outs and did the moonwalk - that's what he does - shame he didn't do it in front of us but never mind. Maybe he feels he has a point to prove to Wilkins?
Barker was lying on the ground after we scored, I certainly didn't see Elphick do anything wrong, but I can't say he didn't either as I was watching Savage and going mental. (there was certainly no handbags between Barker and Elphick at that point. Surely if what he said was so bad Barker would have reacted then.) The only person who got booked was Sullivan for running on the pitch to celebrate.
At the final whistle El Abd grabbed Elphick and dragged him down the tunnel.
Collection. Not sure how much was raised, but well done eveyone. I seem to remember we had a collection for a young goalkeeper of theirs at Withdean a few years ago and raised more than Newcastle.
Some of the crap on their boards about how we 'cheated' our way to victory beggars belief. Yes we scored a last minute winner, on a day that was very difficult for HUFC, but once the game started that's what we were supposed to do.
Beer. Cheap and plentiful.
I thought the back 4 looked solid, El Abd and Elphick were both excellent - although quite how El Abd missed the header in front of us I'm not sure. He was no more that 6/8 yards out with a free header at an empty net. Lucky for him it didn't cost us.
I thought Richards looked OK - could have scored but good save from the keeper.
Sending off. Too far away to comment, happened very quickly, Cox went in hard - probably the only tackle he made all day - and their guy reacted. No real complaints from their lot from what I could see.
Midfield. Not convinced on the Fraser/Hammond partnership on this showing. They did however put themselves about against a pretty physical side.
Wide players - both poor. Martot is simply not good enough IMO. I would start Jake there, and reconsider who we start with up front. I'd go for Forster and Savage at the moment, when/if both are fit and well. Revell works hard and challenges for everything which I like but to be honest can't see him scoring many.
In the second half we should have finished the game long before the pen - we had a 3 on one, where Cox passed to Robinson, when it should have gone right - perhaps Cox knows Martot is gash and that's why he went for Jake, enen though it was the wrong option.
Support - excellent - not sure of the away figure but maybe as many as 500,which for such a long (and expensive) journey is pretty good.
Minutes silence. Very well observed.
Richie Barker. Quick acknowledgemnt to us when the Albion fans sung his name in the first half. Otherwise pretty useless - he certainly wouldn't get in our side.
Handbags etc. When Bas scored he ran to the dug outs and did the moonwalk - that's what he does - shame he didn't do it in front of us but never mind. Maybe he feels he has a point to prove to Wilkins?
Barker was lying on the ground after we scored, I certainly didn't see Elphick do anything wrong, but I can't say he didn't either as I was watching Savage and going mental. (there was certainly no handbags between Barker and Elphick at that point. Surely if what he said was so bad Barker would have reacted then.) The only person who got booked was Sullivan for running on the pitch to celebrate.
At the final whistle El Abd grabbed Elphick and dragged him down the tunnel.
Collection. Not sure how much was raised, but well done eveyone. I seem to remember we had a collection for a young goalkeeper of theirs at Withdean a few years ago and raised more than Newcastle.
Some of the crap on their boards about how we 'cheated' our way to victory beggars belief. Yes we scored a last minute winner, on a day that was very difficult for HUFC, but once the game started that's what we were supposed to do.
Beer. Cheap and plentiful.
This is an article from The Northern Echo:-
Pools emotions exploited by Seagulls gamesmanship
By Nick Loughlin
Hartlepool United 1 Brighton and Hove Albion 2
ON a day when feelings were running high at Victoria Park, emotions spilled
over.
And Danny Wilson believes his Hartlepool United players showed great restraint
in the face of some crass and unsavoury Brighton actions. It would be wrong to
call them celebrations - the mark had been overstepped.
After Richard Barker's 86th minute penalty looked like securing a point, a goal
towards the end of four minutes of stoppage time turned the game back in the
visitors' favour.
Coming at the end of the most difficult weeks for all concerned, it was hard to
take.
And when a Brighton defender thought it would be clever to goad Barker after the
decisive goal, it was too much to take.
It was at best immature and thoughtless, and at worst, disrespectful and utterly
ignorant.
Following an immaculate and poignant minute's silence in memory of team-mate
Michael Maidens prior to the game, the Pools players were heading for a
relatively satisfactory conclusion to the day with Barker's penalty.
In the end, both the game and the classless opponents conspired against events.
"There was absolutely no need for it (the Brighton reaction),'' said Wilson.
"They had won the game which was fair enough. They took their chance very well
and you have to take it on the chin.
"But the last thing you want is to have your noses rubbed in it. Whether you
respond to that it is very difficult.
"But it shouldn't be shoved in your face like it was so I can understand
Richie's anger and I still say that he showed tremendous restraint.''
Tempers also frayed at the break as the players headed for the dressing rooms,
but with the final whistle - one of the few decisive shrills all afternoon from
referee Jonathan Moss - blowing shortly afterwards, came a melee and the anger
and hurt of the last seven days came to the fore.
There's every chance the FA will investigate.
Pools could have taken a defeat, they were behind for the majority of the game,
but not the manner in which it arrived.
Bas Savage, with the same sort of erratic ability as Marcus Richardson and
considered by Wilson as a potential signing last season, rode a couple of
challenges, got a couple of fortunate deflections and curled a low shot into the
net.
Substitute Michael Mackay has a welcome habit of scoring after arriving as a
substitute and he was within an inch of managing it again.
After Barker's leveller, Mackay slid in to meet a teasing low cross. A touch,
any sort of touch, would have diverted in a winner, but the ball evaded him.
Within seconds, at the other end, Pools were hit by a Savage blow.
Wilson said: "It was a poor goal to lose the second one, because we were quite
tight at the back at that time with a full four, but we missed two tackles and
got punished for it.''
Pools were also punished right on half-time, when Willie Boland was sent-off.
Tempers had been bubbling in the 15 minutes before the break. Jamie McCunnie
tackled right back Andrew Whing on the touchline and Whing whinged at referee
Moss, rolling his sock down to show his apparent wound like a little boy showing
Mummy his grazed leg after falling from the swings.
Whing was fired up, but managed to keep his head and he wasn't booked until the
75th minute.
Boland, though, wasn't quite as regulated.
After tangling with Dean Cox, the midfielder took the bait on offer and kicked
out at the winger. Right in front of the officials, it was a futile gesture from
Boland, one of the more fiercely combative - and it has to be said disciplined -
individuals in the game.
Not on this occasion, however and Wilson admitted: "Willie deserved it. You can
go round kicking people and Willie knows that. He let himself down and he his
fellow players down.
"There was no need for it. He had to show more restraint. Maybe he was provoked
before but you have to rise above that.
"He fell into the trap. If he has got a problem with things like that then if I
was an opposing manager I would try to wind him up as well if there was a chance
he would get himself sent off.
"He has to have a calming influence from within and not to rise to the bait.''
Pools, with some of their players clearly affected by the moving pre-match
tribute, went behind when Cox crossed from the right and Ben Clark steered his
header the wrong way and into his own net.
Wilson's side had plenty of possession and played some neat football, but failed
to test keeper Michael Kuipers and the first shot he was presented with was
Barker's penalty, awarded after defender Tommy Elphick made a flying save to
keep out Andy Monkhouse's shot.
The second half, ten against 11, was sheer gung-ho football. Pools attacked
regularly, with the visitors playing on the counter attack and proving a threat
with their attacks at pace.
In the end, it was that nature of the game which caught Pools out and brought
the dramatic scenes.
Wilson concluded: "Of course emotions were running high. But it was not just
things off the field, it was on the field as well.
"It was a roller coaster type of game, we went from high to low and it was
difficult to lose a goal so late.
"But putting things in perspective, it was a great effort from the lads in
difficult circumstances.
"They have had to deal with what has happened this week and then try to put a
performance in.
"They showed terrific character, particularly in the second half, and I was just
gutted for them that we could not even come away with a draw.''
Pools emotions exploited by Seagulls gamesmanship
By Nick Loughlin
Hartlepool United 1 Brighton and Hove Albion 2
ON a day when feelings were running high at Victoria Park, emotions spilled
over.
And Danny Wilson believes his Hartlepool United players showed great restraint
in the face of some crass and unsavoury Brighton actions. It would be wrong to
call them celebrations - the mark had been overstepped.
After Richard Barker's 86th minute penalty looked like securing a point, a goal
towards the end of four minutes of stoppage time turned the game back in the
visitors' favour.
Coming at the end of the most difficult weeks for all concerned, it was hard to
take.
And when a Brighton defender thought it would be clever to goad Barker after the
decisive goal, it was too much to take.
It was at best immature and thoughtless, and at worst, disrespectful and utterly
ignorant.
Following an immaculate and poignant minute's silence in memory of team-mate
Michael Maidens prior to the game, the Pools players were heading for a
relatively satisfactory conclusion to the day with Barker's penalty.
In the end, both the game and the classless opponents conspired against events.
"There was absolutely no need for it (the Brighton reaction),'' said Wilson.
"They had won the game which was fair enough. They took their chance very well
and you have to take it on the chin.
"But the last thing you want is to have your noses rubbed in it. Whether you
respond to that it is very difficult.
"But it shouldn't be shoved in your face like it was so I can understand
Richie's anger and I still say that he showed tremendous restraint.''
Tempers also frayed at the break as the players headed for the dressing rooms,
but with the final whistle - one of the few decisive shrills all afternoon from
referee Jonathan Moss - blowing shortly afterwards, came a melee and the anger
and hurt of the last seven days came to the fore.
There's every chance the FA will investigate.
Pools could have taken a defeat, they were behind for the majority of the game,
but not the manner in which it arrived.
Bas Savage, with the same sort of erratic ability as Marcus Richardson and
considered by Wilson as a potential signing last season, rode a couple of
challenges, got a couple of fortunate deflections and curled a low shot into the
net.
Substitute Michael Mackay has a welcome habit of scoring after arriving as a
substitute and he was within an inch of managing it again.
After Barker's leveller, Mackay slid in to meet a teasing low cross. A touch,
any sort of touch, would have diverted in a winner, but the ball evaded him.
Within seconds, at the other end, Pools were hit by a Savage blow.
Wilson said: "It was a poor goal to lose the second one, because we were quite
tight at the back at that time with a full four, but we missed two tackles and
got punished for it.''
Pools were also punished right on half-time, when Willie Boland was sent-off.
Tempers had been bubbling in the 15 minutes before the break. Jamie McCunnie
tackled right back Andrew Whing on the touchline and Whing whinged at referee
Moss, rolling his sock down to show his apparent wound like a little boy showing
Mummy his grazed leg after falling from the swings.
Whing was fired up, but managed to keep his head and he wasn't booked until the
75th minute.
Boland, though, wasn't quite as regulated.
After tangling with Dean Cox, the midfielder took the bait on offer and kicked
out at the winger. Right in front of the officials, it was a futile gesture from
Boland, one of the more fiercely combative - and it has to be said disciplined -
individuals in the game.
Not on this occasion, however and Wilson admitted: "Willie deserved it. You can
go round kicking people and Willie knows that. He let himself down and he his
fellow players down.
"There was no need for it. He had to show more restraint. Maybe he was provoked
before but you have to rise above that.
"He fell into the trap. If he has got a problem with things like that then if I
was an opposing manager I would try to wind him up as well if there was a chance
he would get himself sent off.
"He has to have a calming influence from within and not to rise to the bait.''
Pools, with some of their players clearly affected by the moving pre-match
tribute, went behind when Cox crossed from the right and Ben Clark steered his
header the wrong way and into his own net.
Wilson's side had plenty of possession and played some neat football, but failed
to test keeper Michael Kuipers and the first shot he was presented with was
Barker's penalty, awarded after defender Tommy Elphick made a flying save to
keep out Andy Monkhouse's shot.
The second half, ten against 11, was sheer gung-ho football. Pools attacked
regularly, with the visitors playing on the counter attack and proving a threat
with their attacks at pace.
In the end, it was that nature of the game which caught Pools out and brought
the dramatic scenes.
Wilson concluded: "Of course emotions were running high. But it was not just
things off the field, it was on the field as well.
"It was a roller coaster type of game, we went from high to low and it was
difficult to lose a goal so late.
"But putting things in perspective, it was a great effort from the lads in
difficult circumstances.
"They have had to deal with what has happened this week and then try to put a
performance in.
"They showed terrific character, particularly in the second half, and I was just
gutted for them that we could not even come away with a draw.''
kevinsmith
New member
Mellor 3 Ward 4
Well-known member
"Tempers had been bubbling in the 15 minutes before the break. Jamie McCunnie
tackled right back Andrew Whing on the touchline and Whing whinged at referee
Moss, rolling his sock down to show his apparent wound like a little boy showing
Mummy his grazed leg after falling from the swings."
GREAT reporting
tackled right back Andrew Whing on the touchline and Whing whinged at referee
Moss, rolling his sock down to show his apparent wound like a little boy showing
Mummy his grazed leg after falling from the swings."
GREAT reporting
What a f***ing KNOB, Nick Loughlin is!
That reads like a fans write up on a messageboard, and if it were, then fair play to him. For a sports reporter, its pathetically one-sided DRIVEL.
That reads like a fans write up on a messageboard, and if it were, then fair play to him. For a sports reporter, its pathetically one-sided DRIVEL.