A (fake internet) Australian view of immigration

[Tyrone Biggums]

I think you need to take a long hard look at yourself Tyrone. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder and be viewing your own back garden through rose-tinted specs. I'm more than happy for a critical view of the role that different nation states have played over the years, but you need to look at this more holistically.

Through rose tinted glasses?

Everything I've read from people in this thread is nothing like from a critical, well read view point on the subject.

All I've read is the same tired, regurgitated left wing nonsense I can read from the chardonnay sipping socialist set out here.

They don't want to know about the actuality of the events, they just want to know the version that suits their bias.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

and no doubt the same applies to Rugby Union and Rugby League. There is nobody left in Oz who's interested in the rivalry. Of course, losing the Ashes 3 times out of the last 4 probably doesn't help.

Given rugby is only popular in 2 states you'd be right.

AFL is by far the most popular sport. Netball and Soccer have the highest junior participants.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I tell you what. If you want to start a thread about 800 years of British persecution of the Irish I will contribute. Just don't whitewash Australian history on this thread.

I'm not whitewashing it.

I'm renaming it to include British history in Australia.

The first indigenous people killed in Australia weren't killed by Australians.

 

[somerset]

OK, their ancestors stole it, and they still claim it as their own. Better?

PS. I have a degree in history, so I would kind of argue it is my strong point. What's yours? Pedantry? Being an annoying t**t?

Pedantic or not....... its British please....

 

[Tom Bombadil]

You got to admire all those downtrodden Aussies suffering under the yolk of English oppression. God it must have been tough having to watch the hated Poms treatment of the poor old Aborigines, dreaming of the day you would join together to cast off the shackles of the colonial power and dance hand in hand through the streets tearing down the test cricket grounds that symbolised the hated imperialist Brits.
Yes that balmy day in 1987 must be etched in every proud Australians mind and ever since every Austrailian, whether he be descended from a noble aborigine or plucky irishmen falsly framed by John Bull, has enjoyed a paradise on earth where baby and dingos walk hand in paw and great whites swim with Nemo and nothing is ever your own fault.

 

[W.C.]

If you knew this practice was happening would you not think about taking children?

ermmm...

 

[Nibble]

Anywhere I've been abroad I've got on wih all nationalities, even the septics but I will avoid the young Aussie's like the plague. I'm sure there are some nice ones but the ones I've seen while travelling are loudmouthed, ignorant, leachy bloody freeloaders who don't see any of the culture but sit around bumming cigarettes off people, ignoring anyone that doesn't speak their language and getting stoned. Typically, they hook up with other Aussies. They may as well have stayed at home on the beach and got stoned. It may just be my experience but all young Australian travellers, to a man are to be avoided. There you go, sweeping generalistaions fom the nibble. And they are all bloody true.

 

[Seagull58]

More immigrants in Australia than most countries, as a % of the population, Germany has the most in Europe and France has a larger & than the UK (from memory).

Depends how you define an immigrant; 1 generation? 2 generations? etc.

 

[Seagull58]

Given rugby is only popular in 2 states you'd be right.

AFL is by far the most popular sport. Netball and Soccer have the highest junior participants.

But you can't have a rivalry with anyone else at AFL, only the composite AFL/Gaelic football that you play against the Irish occasionally, or should I say that you play against you occasionally since you are Australian when it suits and Irish when it suits.

 

[Seagull58]

Through rose tinted glasses?

Everything I've read from people in this thread is nothing like from a critical, well read view point on the subject.

All I've read is the same tired, regurgitated left wing nonsense I can read from the chardonnay sipping socialist set out here.

They don't want to know about the actuality of the events, they just want to know the version that suits their bias.

but you just want the version that suits your bias; it's all the fault of the Protestant Brits and we only took the babies because the aboriginals couldn't look after them properly.

 

[Hamilton]

Through rose tinted glasses?

Everything I've read from people in this thread is nothing like from a critical, well read view point on the subject.

All I've read is the same tired, regurgitated left wing nonsense I can read from the chardonnay sipping socialist set out here.

They don't want to know about the actuality of the events, they just want to know the version that suits their bias.

You need to reread your own posts with an objective view. You'll see that you are jumping to wild conclusions and are more than somewhat blinkered. Get real about everything.

 

[Indurain's Lungs]

I'm not whitewashing it.

I'm renaming it to include British history in Australia.

The first indigenous people killed in Australia weren't killed by Australians.

So they were British when they did the killing but Australian once the very same people declared their independence from Britain. At this point they were suddenly bloody nice blokes who were appalled by the atrocities of the past and in no way complicit in continuing them for another 60 odd years!

 

[SeagullinExile]

Pretty much exactly the point I was going to make. It's not their country and their land, they stole it.

Correction: WE stole it!

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Those same authorities were still trying to oppress the Irish and Catholic populations out here too.

Which is why the Irish and Aboriginals actually inter-married quite a bit back in the day.

Both were treated like crap by the Protestant British system which held onto power here for a long long time.

Like the USA, Australia has had almost exclusively Anglo-Saxon Protestant heads of state.

You lambaste people on this thread for not knowing their history but it has taken post number 99 until you actually mention the British, in previous posts you talk about the English oppression of the Aborigines.

England ceased to be a nation state in 1707 and I believe Captain James Cook landed in Botany Bay in 1770 to claim Australia for Great Britain and Ireland. England as a nation state has never oppressed the Aborigines but the British have and guess what? These British people were made up of English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh.

 

[Tooting Gull]

If we're generalising (and clearly we are) South Africans still a lot worse than Aussies IMHO.

 

[itszamora]

I notice Tyrone has still not acknowledged the fact that his wonderful egalitarian homeland didn't actually give Aboriginals full voting equality until 1983. No doubt that was the opression of the British Protestant overlords, though.

 

[Common as Mook]

Ahhh AFL. What a heap of shit. Sat down and watched Sydney swans against Melbourbe last night. How that qualifies as a sport I'll never know. The amount of fumbling that goes on is outrageous considering they are supposed to be professionals. No wonder no-one else plays it. Tripe.

 

[Indurain's Lungs]

I have been living in australia for 2 years now. my kids have had to learn about aboriginal culture etc. Yes, there is still racism about but they are trying to deal with it. All this stems from a made up quote which attempts to stereotype aussies as racist. In my view they are no better / worse than the UK. I am an immigrant and have been disadvantaged by that, harder to get a rental as a lot of pommes skip out on rentals etc. Hard to get first job as had no australian experience, but i have also had a lot of help and met many great aussies ( of many racial backgrounds ).

I think that's a response I would agree with. Our experience out there was obviously a little different from yours as we were quite shocked by some of the things our work colleagues regularly came out with. However, I don't think it's fair to tar everyone with the same brush and 'your country is more racist than ours' is not really helpful. Most people's issue with Tyrone, I think, is his squirming out of everything like Australians have behaved impeccably and everything else is someone else's fault.

We should all accept that we should be embarrassed of past problems and that, we are all part of our own nation's history/current problems.

 

[brakespear]

Absolutely not. The indisputable fact is that the British had a very positive influence of those countries .... all except for ramming Christianity down the throats of the poor Africans.

Fair play, I probably don't know as much about the subject as I should maybe before commenting

 

[sir albion]

Good on the aussies as no law states they have to open the flood gates like the rest of us