I wish all terrible politicians were exposed to this level of scrutiny and questioning. Maybe then we wouldn't be in this mess.
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[Politics] The General Election Thread
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What on Earth are you talking about? Yes, I understand it’s within the rules. How did you read that I didn’t understand that?
My point is that there are lots of thick Brexit voters who will disregard all the Tory failings in order to try and keep them in power for a chance of a no deal.
By voting. By the rules. I never mentioned anything else.
You’ve made yourself look a bit silly there. Aw, didums? Daft ****.
Pavilionaire
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James Cleverley - savaged by Piers Morgan over the Keir Starmer Fake News video, empty-chaired by Kay Burleigh over his no-show and now lambasted by Emily Maitlis over the 'FactCheck' Twitter fiasco.
Maitlis can do no wrong after he Prince Andrew interview and makes Cleverley look like the idiot he is. Utter shambles.
Surrey Phil
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That's very blinkered. Politics to one side, how can someone negotiate the best deal, if they are potentially against it and would therefore ultimately like to have something the public would reject?
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Maybe ask Theresa May, she campaigned as hard as anyone to remain, then negotiated a fantastic deal and Brexit was the best thing ever. Allegedly. Boris campaigned for leave, and got a deal equally not as good, if not worse.
If you're putting a 2 choice decision into the hands of the public, it is in your best interest to ensure that each outcome is as good as can be given you don't have control over that outcome.
The Tories aren't interested in the best outcome, they are only interested in achieving 'their' Brexit. Labour will have to ensure a deal is as good as they can get because we already know 52% what out of the EU. One thing you cannot accuse Corbyn of is being a passionate remainer.
Granny on the wing
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There is some that say Corbyn just thinks the EU is another bunch of capitalists.
Lincoln Imp
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May I offer another analogy then?
My daughter has seen a car she likes in a local garage and asks me to look over it and see if I can work up a deal for her - a bit of cash off, a few extras, decent warranty. Usual thing.
I say I will do what I can but it's her money and obviously the final decision will be hers.
Just before we set off to the garage she asks me whether I will be recommending she buys the car or not.
I say I couldn't say until I've seen what deal I can sort out with the dealer.
She demands to know now. Right away. Before we leave the house.
Question: Am I being indecisive or is my daughter being daft?
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Perhaps we like comparing it to the Labour Party 'fact checker' [MENTION=37204]the[/MENTION]_InsiderUK.Or perhaps twatter is just for sad people,so don't bother.
Grombleton
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- Dec 31, 2011
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Perhaps we like comparing it to the Labour Party 'fact checker' [MENTION=37204]the[/MENTION]_InsiderUK.Or perhaps twatter is just for sad people,so don't bother.
134 million active daily users on Twitter. Does that mean there are 134 millions twats in the world?
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Not surprised by that. Should be absolutely outraged at the bias that pervades our media.
Vote Conservative. Because the people who deserve to have money taken from them aren't millionaires but grieving parents.
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2nd Tory candidate suspended this week for anti semitism , but it's only Labour who are anti semitic
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No, but at least the Conservatives are dealing with their bad apples.
BBassic
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There's way more than 134 million twats in the world.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Not according to Baroness Wasri they're not...
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/tory-peer-warns-of-racism-at-every-level-of-party-after-latest-dossier-of-racism/13/11/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/13/lady-warsi-hits-out-at-tory-failure-to-tackle-islamophobia
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/social-affairs/discrimination/news/107956/tories-failing-tackle-islamophobia-their-ranks
Shocking, thanks for reporting.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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Indeed ...
Labour is proposing to negotiate a new deal with the European Union. This deal would involve us adhering closely to the rules of the single market and being a member of the customs union. Labour would then put this to voters in a referendum, with the alternative being Remain.
When pressed on how they might vote in this referendum, it’s party policy not to give an answer. And hardly surprising because if they did answer it would reveal how pointless and hollow the choice really is.
Who on earth would choose this new deal? The Electoral Commission is charged by law with ensuring that any referendum question is framed in a way that makes it clear what is being asked. May I suggest to them that Labour’s referendum might be phrased like this:
“The government has decided that Britain is going to follow the rules and trade policy of the European Union. Would you prefer to do this with a vote on the EU’s policies or without one?”
Labour always bridles at the term second referendum and you know what, they’re right. This isn’t really a second referendum at all. It’s just a more faffy, dithery and deceitful form of the Liberal Democrat revoke policy.
They say they are going to negotiate the “best deal” and then put it to the people, but it’s only the “best deal” in the eyes of Remainers. And the rest of us wouldn’t vote for it anyway because it is so obviously not as good as remaining. Leavers will have been treated with contempt, their opinion sought but then discarded.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/labours-brexit-policy-is-simply-dishonest-69q6fvzc6
Who would campaign for Labours 'best deal' in a second referendum? The Shadow Foreign Secretary, Brexit Secretary and Home Secretary all have said they would campaign for Remain, the vast majority of Labour MP's back Remain, the Labour membership is overwhelmingly remain, the Tories wouldn't back it, Farage/Brexit party wouldn't back it .... what sort of grade A **** would think that's an acceptable democratic choice? (rhetorical question obviously)
theonlymikey
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We all knew it.
By making one of them leader of their party. Genius move.
