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It's nice to see an England team playing well without many of those the media consider the 'big guns' (Rooney & Sturridge probably the biggest two), might help to stop the automatic selections...maybe.

What a finish. When was the last time an England team came back from 2-0 to level the game? Not bad for a very poor and untried team really.

Fair enough, though I'd still prefer that extreme to the current trend of just calling the side crap if they don't walk each game 4-0.

Wiser man sticks with his perfectly working version of 7 until it stops being supported!

Who is this mythical 'we' though? I don't know anyone that thinks in that way regarding the national side and even the media are warier than they used to be. The accusation of the national side/nation getting carried away just doesn't seem to ring true any more.

Yep, basically all of that with big shiny bells on.

Were Greece? By definition they had to be good enough to win it as they did, but I'd suggest we're better than they were... Either way, not the strongest squad tonight but when else is The Hodgson going to experiment if not a friendly?

You mean he might not be able to force Mexico to pay to put a giant wall up? Surely not!

What a delightful family that must be.

I'm confused as to why this has been done, is there some sort of national yearning to celebrate her birthday in a pub (if at all) that I've not noticed? Now, if there was an extra bank holiday in the offing...

With you there. Personally don't think it's too long but it's sure as hell not too short either. I don't understand why his career being ruined is mentioned either, like his potential discomfort has any bearing when the victim is likely going to be suffering in some form or another for a...

Ah, I've obviously heard of them but assumed that they were too big for the 'craft beer' label (mostly because I've heard of them). In my limited experience it does seem that craft beers are massively overpriced for what you get but I suppose if people are willing to pay in the first place...

Genuine question from a complete layman; is the beer good and reasonably priced? If yes, why does anything else matter?

Good for all of those other countries, such a shame for him that he chose to knowingly break the law in this one, with a girl that he absolutely knew was underage. I'm noticing that again you seem more concerned with how this damaged his career and future well being over the damage that is...

You're on a fishing trip aren't you? I wasn't sure but capitalising CHAV like it has any relevance whatsoever sealed it. Also, being close to 16 now would still make it illegal regardless, so...?

No need to apologise old chap, I rarely make sense to myself let alone others.

Ignoring the consensual playing around bit because, well, no, but why is the stuff in bold even remotely relevant? Surely the impact of the crime on the victim is of more concern than the impact the punishment might have on the criminal?

If she was a footballer...

Yes. Because a grown adult should be able to turn down a child's advances, not encourage or act on them. She could have been tapdancing nude on his bonnet, sending him whatsapp messages the whole time telling him wonderful he was and he still should be able to keep control of himself. What...

Agreed, he has been. The initial post of mine you quoted did say (I hope) that it's this treatment happening prior to any verdict being handed down that makes me uncomfortable, not afterwards (though maybe it should). Obviously there's now an appeal going on so that confuses the issue slightly...