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Titanic

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Jul 5, 2003
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28 year old with a penchant for extreme pornography (bestiality etc...) and an infatuated 15 year old girl... what could go wrong?
 








dangull

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Feb 24, 2013
5,162
Would I be correct that this would have been totally legal in some European countries in terms of age?

Seems a bit harsh, an ex England player, his career finished, and all the money he could have made in the next few years as well.

A bit of consensual playing around, seems less harmful than ABH, GBH, the sort of things that happen on a night out every weekend in Brighton after pubs and clubs are closed.

These sort of things seems to merit much shorter sentences.
 








Gullflyinghigh

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Apr 23, 2012
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Would I be correct that this would have been totally legal in some European countries in terms of age?

Seems a bit harsh, an ex England player, his career finished, and all the money he could have made in the next few years as well.

A bit of consensual playing around, seems less harmful than ABH, GBH, the sort of things that happen on a night out every weekend in Brighton after pubs and clubs are closed.

These sort of things seems to merit much shorter sentences.

Ignoring the consensual playing around bit because, well, no, but why is the stuff in bold even remotely relevant?

Surely the impact of the crime on the victim is of more concern than the impact the punishment might have on the criminal?
 


Dec 29, 2011
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Would I be correct that this would have been totally legal in some European countries in terms of age?

Seems a bit harsh, an ex England player, his career finished, and all the money he could have made in the next few years as well.

A bit of consensual playing around, seems less harmful than ABH, GBH, the sort of things that happen on a night out every weekend in Brighton after pubs and clubs are closed.

These sort of things seems to merit much shorter sentences.

Why does the fact he's ex-England or that he has potential future earnings affect the outcome? I have a feeling if this story was about a 30 year old bearded man who live in his mothers basement some of the comments on here would be very different.
 




BLOCK F

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Feb 26, 2009
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Approximately the same sentence as Rolf Harris, so it could be considered rather harsh.Yes, I know Harris's sentence could be considered lenient and his age may have been taken into consideration.
Heaven help the prison population if all the aged popstars were had up for engaging in sexual activity with the underage groupies of the 1960's and 70's.
 




perseus

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Jul 5, 2003
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Sussex Nomad

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Aug 26, 2010
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There doesn't seem to be any cohesion on sentencing. On the one hand you have this woman getting off for sexual activity with a male aged 13 to 17 while in a position of trust.

http://lifestyle.one/closer/news-re...-escapes-jail-despite-affair-male-student-16/

On the other hand you have this case where the woman was totally banged to rights, 11 counts of sexual activity with a child, was jailed today for four years and three months per count.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-392953/Female-teacher-jailed-sex-pupil.html

I was specifically looking at female grooming cases because I wanted to see if they get similar sentences to men.

So, in my opinion personally, I don't think it can be called harsh or lenient because it seems there isn't any real mark to judge from.
 


dangull

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Feb 24, 2013
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Ignoring the consensual playing around bit because, well, no, but why is the stuff in bold even remotely relevant?

Surely the impact of the crime on the victim is of more concern than the impact the punishment might have on the criminal?
The girl who is probably close to 16 now, probably has a CHAV background and her friends may have had sexual activity with less high profile people as well, as it is quite common in society without criminal proceedings.
 


SAC

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May 21, 2014
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Man grooms a 15 year old, fully aware of her age, gets six years and will be out in 3. Doesn't seem harsh at all to me, I'm amazed that some on here think it is.
 




Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
The girl who is probably close to 16 now, probably has a CHAV background and her friends may have had sexual activity with less high profile people as well, as it is quite common in society without criminal proceedings.
Sorry to break it to you but chavs have rights too. That Rotherham paedophile ring thought that chav girls were fair game too.
 




Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
The girl who is probably close to 16 now, probably has a CHAV background and her friends may have had sexual activity with less high profile people as well, as it is quite common in society without criminal proceedings.

A young girl, flattered by the attention of a footballer, was groomed, after asking for a signed shirt. He took advantage of her naivity, and indulged in sexual activity. He was nearly 30, she was just 15.
Footballers come into contact with a lot of kids, so have to be trustworthy.

He's also been arrested, prior to this case, for obtaining bestiality porn, and treated for an STD.
The judge has ruled that he has to have therapy treatment for his sexual appetites.

This isn't some young boy and girl having a quick fumble behind the bike sheds.
 


Perfidious Albion

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Oct 25, 2011
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At the end of my tether
On the male v female disparity ... A certain Kelly Richards of South Wales got off with a suspended jail sentence (2 yrs) and walked free after a fling with a 15yr old boy
Do you remember the case of the teacher and the Eastbourne 15 yr old schoolgirl ? Jeremy Forest got 5 and half yrs , out after 2 on licence

What was that song by Police ?
"Don't Stand So Close To Me"...young teacher, the subject of schoolgirl fantasy........
 




Sheebo

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Jul 13, 2003
29,319
my understanding is she recorded on her phone her performing oral so her friends would believe her. I've also seen pictures which is supposedly her and to be fair she looks older than her years if correct.

As mentioned on the other thread, a month before a man was also sentenced to 6 years for raping a 14 year old girl.

If she did I don't think that was mentioned anywhere in court - not sure that's true tbh... Where did you hear that?
 


Gullflyinghigh

Registered User
Apr 23, 2012
4,279
The girl who is probably close to 16 now, probably has a CHAV background and her friends may have had sexual activity with less high profile people as well, as it is quite common in society without criminal proceedings.

You're on a fishing trip aren't you? I wasn't sure but capitalising CHAV like it has any relevance whatsoever sealed it.

Also, being close to 16 now would still make it illegal regardless, so...?
 


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