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So how would the active involvement of Shia Iran be anymore of a recruitment opportunity for Sunni militants than America getting involved?

It may be as simple as the fact he may be out if the loop on holiday in Argentina, and not out of contract. Bruno and Calderon are in a negotiation scenario and would have been in the loop.

Wrong.....Iraq is approx 65% Shia....20% Sunni

OK, so who would they be?....… Saudi=Sunni,..... nobody else would be capable.

Drone Armageddon on the way.......simple stand off missions, it won't end the wider issues, but it will tear a hole in their currently unopposed slaughter objectives.

Like all alliances, they break down sooner or later, just because at one time we utilised, nay encouraged the Jihadi groups, in different times......doesn't mean we are responsible for the extreme nature and objectives that characterise them now..... they need to be stopped, its that simple.

Secular?, oh I see, by that you mean the oppression and suppression of all non sunni groups in Iraq by Saddam and his minority support , a bit like apartheid South Africa.....Syria was/is secular for sure, but totalitarian in the extreme backed by the Russians of course, and the jihadis are...

I just supported Paras view that this was nothing new, no assertion that this was unique, and as this discussion was about the middle east it seemed relevant that he mentioned it. I wasn't originally getting all reactionary about yours and others' view that it is all the fault of the west, I...

can you return to the earlier posts in the feckn thread and decide who you want to argue with, I think you are mistaking me for someone else..... but of course you do have a record of knee jerk over reactions.

So you sit in the camp that says NO to intervention whilst at the same time castigating the West for not helping more..... which one is it, please enlighten me.

Nobody said that,... your over active paranoiac imagination again,.......filling in any perceived gaps with your anti western rhetoric at every turn,...

Indeed, my point.....

No, just a balanced one.............it should be a very simple exercise, even for some of the one eyed opinionated Herberts on here,....

.....and of course it was the Ottoman Empire that continuously waged war in a concerted effort to expand its borders in every direction.....

Same old same old from Dave in Stag Party Land and Dingo from god knows where,.....Para is correct in that they have slaughtering each other since time began, just because there is wall to wall media coverage, and a more industrial edge to the weaponry used doesn't change that fact. In simple...

well to give you an idea, there were 300 BBC bods working at Glastonbury, I kid you not.

Not in my view, our replacements helped, but the key to us being more dangerous in the last 10-15 mins was that Tuilagi moved back to a more central role, getting involved as he was last week,..... Twelvetrees and Burrell were very poor, what Eastman did to be dropped from the matchday squad was...

...and if it does?!?!......... we are a structured enough society to manage it........

Oh there were plenty, don't doubt, ...

Of course, but there are plenty on this site who swear blind that Oscar had no say at all.