Football laws often seem very much like the law of the land in that most of the sanctions are already available and can be applied at the discretion of the person in charge. That tends to work better as they can take circumstances into account. This change looks reasonably good on paper but the more rigid rules become, the less useful they often become I think. Just yet another mental checklist for the already over-burdened referees.
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[Football] IFAB Keeper Timewasting Experiment
- Thread starter Guinness Boy
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Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
That will confuse Martinez!
nickbrighton
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- Feb 19, 2016
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As refs do not enforce the six second rule, why would they enforce this one?
As stated in a previous post, there are perfectly good rules in place for most of the problems in football , time wasting, diving, faking injury, crowding the ref, etc but they simply aren't enforced. The solution isnt more or particularly different rules, just enforce the ones already there
I can see this being enforced for the first couple of rounds or until one of the "big" clubs concede a goal from it. It will then quietly be dropped -
As stated in a previous post, there are perfectly good rules in place for most of the problems in football , time wasting, diving, faking injury, crowding the ref, etc but they simply aren't enforced. The solution isnt more or particularly different rules, just enforce the ones already there
I can see this being enforced for the first couple of rounds or until one of the "big" clubs concede a goal from it. It will then quietly be dropped -
Never had a picture been more representative of a problem
Not many goals are scored from corners, so GKs may well continue to time-waste. A corner, I would guess, is a lot less dangerous than a free kick (albeit an indirect one?) at the point of the offence?
Anyway, refs won't apply after the first couple of weeks.
scooter1
How soon is now?
Hurrah if enforced, but does when 8 seconds become 10, then 12 etc? And if the goalie is done for a second offence, will a yellow card be issued? And then what?
Ive said this in previous threads, I’ll openly applaud the first ref to actually send a goalie off for 2 yellow cards, gained for time wasting.
Ive said this in previous threads, I’ll openly applaud the first ref to actually send a goalie off for 2 yellow cards, gained for time wasting.
Nobby Cybergoat
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Refs will enforce the rules when (and only when) they are publicly shamed into doing so.
That appears to be what's happening here, with a visible clock counting down.
The authorities also seem to be conceding that refs don't have the balls to enforce a free kick in the box
Mandatory yellow card and a corner. VAR or the fourth official in charge of the count.
This would focus the cheating minds.
This would focus the cheating minds.
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Washie
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As it hasn't been a thing since 2005
Cheggers
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I will be surprised if we don't see defenders holding onto the ball for a minute before handing it the goalkeeper. Villa and Fulham are probably already working on this tactic.
No opposition keeper will be bothered by this when playing us. They have more chance of scoring from our corners than we do.
Although we did actually get a goal from one the other week - but that was only Southampton, so not particularly representative of the norm for us.
Personally, if and it's a big if, its enforced I think this is a great change. Should hurry them up a bit and we can all join in with the refs countdown.
Cheggers
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I eagerly await Emiliano Martínez receiving five yellow cards each game he plays.
Nobby Cybergoat
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Graham Poll retired years ago
thedonkeycentrehalf
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Maybe we are not as innocent as we'd like to think:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...rner-for-holding-ball-more-than-eight-seconds
"David Elleray, the former Premier League referee and now Ifab’s technical director, cited Brighton’s victory at Manchester United last season as an example; whereas the United keeper held on to the ball for an average of 4.8sec, the Brighton goalkeeper’s average was 14.8sec"
Didn't realise Elleray was still involved in the game after all these years.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...rner-for-holding-ball-more-than-eight-seconds
"David Elleray, the former Premier League referee and now Ifab’s technical director, cited Brighton’s victory at Manchester United last season as an example; whereas the United keeper held on to the ball for an average of 4.8sec, the Brighton goalkeeper’s average was 14.8sec"
Didn't realise Elleray was still involved in the game after all these years.
TWOCHOICEStom
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I don't think this is a bad idea. 2 extra seconds and stricter enforcement seems like a good idea. Also an indirect free-kick is rarely an advantage when it is applied so also like the change to it being a corner.
Don't see the issue here at all.
Don't see the issue here at all.
Would also stop feigned head injuries if outfield player is required to spend two mins on side having concussion protocols applied as mandatory . players would soon get up knowing they could be down to 10 men for 2 mins
Official Old Man
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So, the ref has to indicate the final 5 seconds, by putting his hand in the air 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1.9 - 1.8 - 1.7 ...........
If the 6 second rule is never punished will an 8 second rule work?
And when does 8 seconds start? Keeper makes a save and falls to the ground, ref is just outside the box, all the players tap the keepers head and then stroll up the park including the ref. This alone takes 10 seconds of play. Goalie gets up but ref is still walking up the pitch.
No, wont work.
If the 6 second rule is never punished will an 8 second rule work?
And when does 8 seconds start? Keeper makes a save and falls to the ground, ref is just outside the box, all the players tap the keepers head and then stroll up the park including the ref. This alone takes 10 seconds of play. Goalie gets up but ref is still walking up the pitch.
No, wont work.
7dialssouthpaw
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- Sep 10, 2022
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agree - bound for failure. What it requires is a whistle from the ref as a warning - and then start the count-down. same on throw ins.
I've always thought the best way to punish time-wasting is to award an indirect free kick (unsportsmanship conduct) /foul throw. This rule change (awarding a corner) fixes the melee that would arise from the keeper being punished.
BUT ... the ref has will have to whistle again to start the countdown, or it's a non-starter.