GoldstoneVintage
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And what's wrong with Eastbourne?
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Nothing.And what's wrong with Eastbourne?
It was a helpful clue for anyone curious and keen to identify the chap.
- Jan 18, 2009
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What tactics…..do you mean armies are out of date? I missed that meeting, someone should tell zalensky.
- Jan 18, 2009
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The WW2 generation were the children of the WW1 generation, it’s even more remarkable that they served as they did.
That generation is light years from where we are now and on so many levels. Societies in the West are now far richer than they were and arguably much more cynical of authority (some may say mature) than previously.
That trajectory is not changing, and there are plenty of reasons to understand why the younger generation is not inclined to fight for the U.K. The days of the Bradford Pals are gone.
Machiavelli
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Somewhat predictable that you'd emerge and spout some pro-Putin
Justice
Dangerous Idiot
If you speak to the younger generation they aren’t idiots, they can see the way the government has treated its ex military people who served for their country leaving them homeless on the streets to fend for themselves.
All those with missing limbs for what? Blair’s lies.
You have no idea what any of my ideals are. Saying that you have to be ready if war is imposed on you is hardly advocating anything and certainly isn’t expecting anyone to sacrifice themselves for me.
The US aren’t advocating for peace at all, they were trying to negotiate the Ukraine’s surrender. They wanted to take about 3 years worth of GDP of the Ukraine’s minerals to do what? They couldn’t even get any security guarantees for them at all, so it was never a peace deal at all. Russia would rearm and invade again down the line.
There was no compromise on the Russian side was there? Where is the scorn against Putin for prolonging a war that HE started? Or the concern for dead Russian men? You can f*** off with your US and Russian rhetoric, Ukraine have done nothing wrong.
A mex eyecan
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- Nov 3, 2011
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personally, i can’t think of a more horrible environment to be in than a sub.Let’s hope we never have to find out, having spent a few days on a Polaris Boat and an insightful week onboard a Trident boat, not on patrol i might add ( Both times confirming i’d made the right choice to join General Service/Surface Fleet) i’m more than satisfied that they put to sea ready and capable to fire in anger
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
The Forces covenant hasn’t changed in decades. Housing is available but ex military who are homeless are usually the result of marriage breakups, addiction problems or mental health.
There are several Forces charities available to help, such as Soldiers off the Streets, SSAFA, Forces Hsg Associations, but mental health does need more funding. Some veterans cannot cope with life, paying bills etc so prefer to live without the extra stress.
There was a chap living in a tent by Southease bus stop, and loads of people from Newhaven helping him. He was offered a flat in Eastbourne but actually ended up in a refurbished shed as that was his choice.
As a percentage, there are very few homeless veterans, so please don’t use them as an excuse.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
My cousin is a submariner - had a great career in the RN, think he has done 3 degrees while in service, worked up from 18 years old to quite a high rank now. Reckon he’d waltz into a high paid civvy job if he wanted one. He’s done his time though, under fire in Afghanistan, sometimes 6 months at a time at sea. Very proud lad to have served so long and we’re really proud of him.
maffew
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There's not an easy end to this war.
Either Trump miraculously comes on board, or Europe steps up, funds it with inferior weaponry and it's goes on and on until Putin or Trump are gone one way or another. Or something else.
In the mean time there's so many permutations what happens next.
US stops support entirely, and lifts Russian sanctions is one of the worst scenarios. That's not too far from the US joining the war on Russias side. And now Putins gonna know he can probably up the ante if America aren't onboard
Hoping that tomorrow Belgium agrees to unfreeze Russian assets and allow it to be given to the war chest, though I don't think it's as simple as that/on the agenda. That's a couple of hundred plus billion I think.
Question is will/can Europe keep this going without the US.
Total mess.
dadams2k11
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Ah, Tony Blair.
Had Major, Hague, Duncan-Smith, er, Howard, er, Cameron beaten Blair in a general election none of this would have happened.
Oh, hang on.....sorry, theses tories all agreed with the gulf war.
The Liberals wanted a UN Resolution (which we would still be waiting for, now) but that was easy for them to advocate.
given they were a million miles from power and could advocate anything knowing it would never happen.
So who was in your anti-war gang?
"Prominent politicians and other individuals expressing anti-war views included: Tory MP Ken Clarke, Charles Kennedy, Menzies Campbell, Tony Benn, George Galloway, Jeremy Corbyn, Chris Martin, Damon Albarn, Ms. Dynamite, and Bianca Jagger."
Well, I liked Ken Clarke, but......
Anyway, here we all are.
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Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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Poskett whatever your name is. You've gone a little quiet. You really should come on here and say something along the lines of ..... "OK, I was talking bollocks, NATO did not encroach on Russia. I'll be more careful of the Russian disinformation bots in future"
But otherwise, we do need voices which counter the drumbeat of war. That's always valuable right? Just ones based on logic and reason not on Russian disinformation
But otherwise, we do need voices which counter the drumbeat of war. That's always valuable right? Just ones based on logic and reason not on Russian disinformation
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Sadly this is what happens in conflicts - you have to carry on fighting even when everyone knows the outcome but what are the terms ultimately.
The ‘peace’ deal Trump and those supporting him on these threads mean you give up most if not all of the territory you’ve lost. As I said on another thread, it would be like Russia invading from Cornwall and we have to accept Cornwall, Devon and Somerset are no longer part of the UK.
Trump appears to think that for the US help and the mineral deal, Ukraine has to accept whatever he agrees with Putin. The arrogance to think that all the allies supporting Ukraine and Ukraine have to accept what Trump, clearly a Putin admirer agrees with him.
If there is to be a deal it shouldn’t be acceptable to the rest of the democratic world that Russia ends up with what can be described as military success.
- Jan 25, 2025
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I’ve not seen anyone banging the drums of war on here, FWIW, just an awareness of how bad this crisis is and what needs to or might happen next.
What’s being advocated here is no different to what a lot of European leaders have said, including our own - the US is not currently a reliable ally, so the rest need to work together to fill that void both to support Ukraine and defend Europe from imperialists.
I’ve yet to see a single post suggesting we’ll be in Moscow by next weekend.
What I have seen is a lot of blame being broadcast in the wrong direction. This includes our media commentators, including coded versions of “if he dresses like that, he’s asking to get f***ed”. That’s very disappointing.
TLDR; I agree with you.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Zelenskyy is currently at Downing Street with SKS, meeting the King tomorrow & EU leaders.
Justice
Dangerous Idiot
An excuse for what? Kids not wanting to get blown up in Ukraine?
You know the only thing Donald cares about is $. He's not going to stop selling weapons. He just doesn't want to give them away
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Who mentioned kids going to Ukraine?