This is worth a listen, it's a bit weird, telling Russia you want to break their alliances with certain countries...
And Kellogg says Russia will have to make territorial concessions, whereas Vance says they won't IIRC.
They don't know what they're doing.
Anyway, nice to see Kellogg is still alive.
Why don't you just start your own thread on this subject?I am afraid if the recent survey on Gen Z attitudes is even remotely correct you better start contemplating alternatives.
It’s also why, contrary to the opinions of the armchair generals on this thread why the UK’s continuing involvement in this conflict represents significant medium to long term risk.
Our political leaders may talk a good game, but they are not reading the room with the public. The public know our current leadership are unable to secure this country’s borders or deport known terrorists or convicted criminals.
What kind of fool would want to fight for a country like that?
I am afraid if the recent survey on Gen Z attitudes is even remotely correct you better start contemplating alternatives.
I've given up on this twat & just put him on ignore, really not worth your time & effort reading or replying to his stuff.
I'm not just referring to Ukraine. Much wider than that. But regardless, FWIW, I don't think we ever learn (as human beings) i.e. all those cliches about strong armed forces is price for peace, don't give in to bullies, appease at your peril blah blah blah. Because when it comes down to it, our very security is NOT worth paying for in most peoples eyes until it's too late e.g. the moment of crisis. Until then, and even then, people aren't interested or bury heads in sand. For example, when war arrived in 1939 we eventually we had to spend 46% of our GDP on military - so what's 5% now in that context?! Well, it seems to be 2-3% more than the average Brit wants to pay to ensure their security!
Why has that website got 'Reading level 1' and 'Reading level 4' at the top left?I am afraid if the recent survey on Gen Z attitudes is even remotely correct you better start contemplating alternatives.
It’s also why, contrary to the opinions of the armchair generals on this thread why the UK’s continuing involvement in this conflict represents significant medium to long term risk.
Our political leaders may talk a good game, but they are not reading the room with the public. The public know our current leadership are unable to secure this country’s borders or deport known terrorists or convicted criminals.
What kind of fool would want to fight for a country like that?
Are you a Brighton fan? You only seems to comment on Political threads - just don't seem to interested in the football.I am afraid if the recent survey on Gen Z attitudes is even remotely correct you better start contemplating alternatives.
It’s also why, contrary to the opinions of the armchair generals on this thread why the UK’s continuing involvement in this conflict represents significant medium to long term risk.
Our political leaders may talk a good game, but they are not reading the room with the public. The public know our current leadership are unable to secure this country’s borders or deport known terrorists or convicted criminals.
What kind of fool would want to fight for a country like that?
Oh do f*** off you xenophobic shit.I am afraid if the recent survey on Gen Z attitudes is even remotely correct you better start contemplating alternatives.
It’s also why, contrary to the opinions of the armchair generals on this thread why the UK’s continuing involvement in this conflict represents significant medium to long term risk.
Our political leaders may talk a good game, but they are not reading the room with the public. The public know our current leadership are unable to secure this country’s borders or deport known terrorists or convicted criminals.
What kind of fool would want to fight for a country like that?
Of course you would, and you do yourself a disservice because you're probably still handy with an air rifle and know the effective range of both round shot and canister from a bronze barrelled 12 pounder. But seriously, I do think this country would have enormous problems with its current fighting 'yoof'. There are traitors, deserters and malingers in every generation / war as you know. But since the last world war, our diversity has changed beyond unity. There would likely be all manner of objections to being called up and the army of lawyers and human rights activists would probably be bigger than the Army-Navy-Airforce combined - all acting in their 'clients' interests to abstain! Also, we've become so accustomed to peace, so far removed from the realities of war, that I just don't think a majority of people care enough. Better sleepwalking into enslavement and hope for the best. We're not a fighting or united nation anymore, the rights of the individual are more powerful than the state etc. I think people would defend their front doors, literally, in this country. But beyond them, I'm not so sure. And of course any Home Front fight begins hundreds of miles away in places like Ukraine, and I just don't think people care to do that. Or rather not enough do, or on any sufficient scale. Even Ukraine suffers from combat dodgers, hundreds of thousands have fled overseas or hidden from the authorities. I know one, and they couldn't be more removed from the image of a 'refugee' as they fly round Europe visiting friends and doing business whilst openly admitting they're using the opportunity to become a UK citizen. They have absolutely no regard for what's happening in their homeland, or wish to go back. It's all about making money and exploiting the west's opportunities to make a more prosperous life here.
I think you may have mis-understood? Cunning Fergus was merely pointing out a recent survey of Gen Z's don't think this country is worth fighting for. That's not anything to do with racism, is it? Or at least not exclusively? Was similarly reported a while ago in couple of broadsheet papers, though I didn't read in detail just gave a cursory 'that figures' sigh at the headline!
You bought a ticket to Saudi
Yep. Most people want to enjoy their life as best they can, and maybe most Brits (and others) still feel far enough away from losing that freedom (ie war) not to want to pay more taxes.
the current stalemate can continue indefinately if Europe pays what US is paying. really this is probably the driver for the US, they dont want to continue as things are without propect of any conclusion.
I guess the difference is Russia can, still does and always has to a degree forced its citizens to fight for the sacred Motherland. It's also a very controlled state, easier to make use of propaganda etc. Arguably less educated too. But also, historically, they show a tolerance to adversity and hardship that's beyond anything the average Westerner can put up with. In a war of attrition, like now, that's a big advantage. But yes, it's unlikely we'll ever see the need for numbers as great as in past wars. All relative though. But more than that I fear Nato - if tested - couldn't agree on a Council of War set of minutes never mind decisive action in the face of an enemy. We (us, America and Canada, and to a smaller extent Free French) were always at each others throats in WW2, and that's just 4 powers never mind 32. Then there's social media, where everyone would be putting in their 2pence opinion to undermine Nato's efforts. We've always had to play by a different set of rules, and always will because of our higher values.
That's true, but it's true for Russia as well. A quick google tells me we had about 6 million troops in WW1, and down to 3.5m for WW2 (no idea how inaccurate that quick look is). And google tells me Russia had 34 million soldiers in WW2.
We don't need those kind of numbers now. We have a lot of European allies, while Russia (who don't exactly have willing conscripts queuing up to join) can't even beat Ukraine.
Trump wants his Nobel peace prize...the self centred scum
