[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

Eric the meek · Feb 3, 2025

raymondo said:
Right, ...and to carry on fighting they'll need a supply of weapons.
They are doing a fantastic job on diy drones, and hopefully their long range missile project is moving along.

The EU and the UK are making the right noises about continuity of support, and so are Kellog and Rubio,; but too much depends on the madman in orange.

The worry of course is the unpredictability of Trump, and Europe's reaction to whatever he decides.

Yes, I hear you.

I can't give you many words of comfort on your last sentence. Kellogg and Rubio seem the good guys; Kellogg said he can give Trump the advice, but Trump will make up his own mind. In Jake Broe's update, it seemed that Kellogg implied he faced a challenge bringing other members of Trump's team on board.

Worrying, but there's a long way to go. And the longer it goes on, the weaker Russia gets.

raymondo · Feb 3, 2025

Eric the meek said:
Yes, I hear you.

I can't give you many words of comfort on your last sentence. Kellogg and Rubio seem the good guys; Kellogg said he can give Trump the advice, but Trump will make up his own mind. In Jake Broe's update, it seemed that Kellogg implied he faced a challenge bringing other members of Trump's team on board.

Worrying, but there's a long way to go. And the longer it goes on, the weaker Russia gets.

Yes indeed, and Jake Broe's latest video was thoughtful as usual.
I need to relax a bit about the current complexities and inconsistencies

, as you say there's a long way to go.

I need a new video from Mark the Economist to lighten my mood!

Eric the meek · Feb 3, 2025

raymondo said:
es indeed, and Jake Broe's latest video was thoughtful as usual.
I need to relax a bit about the current complexities and inconsistencies , as you say there's a long way to go.

I need a new video from Mark the Economist to lighten my mood!

Occasionally, there is a tweet that tickles me.

I saw one this morning (Yes, I have to describe it, as I can't find it. At least I'm consistent.)

It's a map of Europe, showing flames all over Russia and popcorn all over Europe. It perfectly sums up the state of the three day war.

(Mark the economist and Aunt Elvira are holed up in a love hotel and are unavailable for comment).

Sirnormangall · Feb 3, 2025

PTC Gull said:
And another bites the dust. Expect a "suspect" captured in the next few hours!

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0rqj171zzvo

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Great news. The second war criminal to be assassinated in a matter of weeks…..and on Putin’s doorstep

raymondo · Feb 3, 2025

This, apparently, is a thing. As per the FT, discussions happening (Germany and Hungary leading the charge) about restarting Russian gas deliveries to Europe as part of a ceasefire/peace deal.
Unbelievable, surely

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Sirnormangall · Feb 3, 2025

Triggaaar said:
You're certainly not the only one, but surely we can add Zelenskyy and his team to that. They won't want to accept a ceasefire that allows Russia to regroup and go again.

Russian newspapers are saying that whilst there might be a truce there will never be a lasting peace. Of course they are probably being fed these lines from the Kremlin, but the narrative remains consistent that Russia will never rest until it controls Ukraine, so (as said above) any peace deal has to be strong enough to make that unlikely.

raymondo · Feb 3, 2025

Well this one is much better news:
- rare earths to the US
- weapons to Ukraine

Triggaaar · Feb 3, 2025

raymondo said:
Well this one is much better news:
- rare earths to the US
- weapons to Ukraine

Any rare resources Ukraine promise the US, should be from the eastern most point of Ukraine, so that the US can only get it if the whole of Ukraine is returned.

Eric the meek · Feb 3, 2025

raymondo said:
Well this one is much better news:
- rare earths to the US
- weapons to Ukraine

'I don't need a ride, I need ammunition' - Zelensky, Feb 2022.

'I don't need rare earths, I need anti-aircraft missiles' - Zelensky, Feb 2025.

peterward · Feb 3, 2025

Could be worth a watch

marlowe · Feb 4, 2025

raymondo said:
Well this one is much better news:
- rare earths to the US
- weapons to Ukraine

And it appears to be an arrangement proposed by Zelensky rather than one first demanded by Trump, so at least Zelensky is not being made to look weak and caving in to Trump's demands.

He was obviously wise enough to realise that Trump was never going to offer aid for purely moral or humanitarian or reasons and any aid provided by Trump would be on a purely transactional basis, so he proposed this arrangement before Trump did which also deprived Trump of the opportunity of playing the strong armed negotiator who always gets what's best for the US.

It appears that Zelensky came up with the proposal just at the right time given how Musk is exerting his malevolent influence and his disbandment of USAID which provides humanitarian aid all over the world including Ukraine, so while it might not affect military aid it will impact Ukraine from a humanitarian perspective which might lead to the diversion of some of their own military resources to fill the void.

SeagullinExile · Feb 4, 2025

raymondo said:
Also (I think on BBC,) Ukrainian troops say they haven't seen North Koreans on the front line for a couple of weeks: either withdrawn because of casualties and/or for more training (?)

Seeing some of the drone videos, showing stupid NK troops being blown to bits attempting to dig trenches in open fields, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re all dead tbh.

SeagullinExile · Feb 4, 2025

raymondo said:
It's coffee time, everyone. This message struck a strong chord with me. It's nothing about success on the battlefield; it's about how Russia has totally lost the hearts and minds of most Russian speaking Ukrainians.
This is exactly where my wife is, and her relatives and friends that remain in Ukraine or have fled. I'll let it speak for itself:

Blimey. Top rant.

raymondo · Feb 4, 2025

Triggaaar said:
Any rare resources Ukraine promise the US, should be from the eastern most point of Ukraine, so that the US can only get it if the whole of Ukraine is returned.

Absolutely

raymondo · Feb 4, 2025

SeagullinExile said:
Seeing some of the drone videos, showing stupid NK troops being blown to bits attempting to dig trenches in open fields, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re all dead tbh.

I've read about 30% of the 10k are

raymondo · Feb 4, 2025

marlowe said:
And it appears to be an arrangement proposed by Zelensky rather than one first demanded by Trump, so at least Zelensky is not being made to look weak and caving in to Trump's demands.

He was obviously wise enough to realise that Trump was never going to offer aid for purely moral or humanitarian or reasons and any aid provided by Trump would be on a purely transactional basis, so he proposed this arrangement before Trump did which also deprived Trump of the opportunity of playing the strong armed negotiator who always gets what's best for the US.

It appears that Zelensky came up with the proposal just at the right time given how Musk is exerting his malevolent influence and his disbandment of USAID which provides humanitarian aid all over the world including Ukraine, so while it might not affect military aid it will impact Ukraine from a humanitarian perspective which might lead to the diversion of some of their own military resources to fill the void.

I did read somewhere (maybe Jake Broe

) there's a possibility the EU and UK may step in with more financial/ humanitarian aid to fill the gap.

raymondo · Feb 4, 2025

Ukraine has combat laser tech that has already taken out some Russian drones.
Working on underwater drones...and the bridge is still on the agenda!

Eric the meek · Feb 4, 2025

'Because there is no other chance of survival'.

This is not a Ukrainian saying this. It's a Russian, a propagandist paid to make a speech curated by the Kremlin.

raymondo · Feb 4, 2025

Eric the meek said:
'Because there is no other chance of survival'.

This is not a Ukrainian saying this. It's a Russian, a propagandist paid to make a speech curated by the Kremlin.

It's laughable isn't it.
For the average Russian, on winter evenings, all they can do is sit at home, watch that shit, and sadly believe it!

fly high · Feb 4, 2025

raymondo said:
Absolutely

Isn't most of it in the Donbas anyway.

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