papachris
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This flew over the parade. Amazing to see. A little bit misleading to say close to the Russian border. This was over Tallinn as part of the independence day parade
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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This flew over the parade. Amazing to see. A little bit misleading to say close to the Russian border. This was over Tallinn as part of the independence day parade
- Aug 24, 2020
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It's as good a prediction as any. Hold him hostage. To be honest, our record of predictions on here (including mine), is a bit crap.
None of us saw the betrayal and stitch-up of Ukraine coming. At least not the unimaginable scale of the attempted extortion. And then, the strength of character of Zelensky to tell them to **** off.
It's all highly unpredictable.
Impressive sight. Maybe we've got Trump wrong?
- Jan 25, 2025
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Obviously it doesn’t matter much what the abilities of the fine denizens of this board are in predicting Trump.
Europe’s politicians and diplomats are another matter. Trump was telling the world last year what he thought. This is a report from September.
I rather feel they fell into the trap/lie, that Farage has regularly used, that “Trump doesn’t speak literally”. When it comes to what he plans to do, yes he does.
Because the US has been our staunch ally for decades, people reflexively assume Trump has similar motives. He really, really doesn’t.
- Aug 24, 2020
- 8,013
Oh, I'm with you. I agree with all of that.
The message for Europe is clear. Fortunately it looks like Europe has got the message. We can no longer rely on Trump or the US. Both are unreliable, and motivated by money.
Long ago, I came to the conclusion that Trump is supremely unpredictable. There is no discernible positive (or negative) correlation between what he says and what he does. Both happen. Some things he says happen, and some don't. So all we can go on is what he actually does, and look back at history to see if he said it some point.
This doesn't mean we should remain closed to new ideas or events. Things can and will change. We have already seen this.
Several things of interest have happened recently:
1. A deployment of B-52s, a U-2, and others with supporting cargo and personnel. Why?
2. The fly past in Tallinn. Is it a message to Estonians? Why else would it have happened?
3. In the light of point 2, in his recent visit to Poland, Trump promised that U.S. troops would stay in Poland and the country “shouldn't worry.” Was that a false promise? Or was he telling the truth?
All these don't amount to much. But they are food for thought. Let's keep our eyes open.
- Jan 25, 2025
- 136
My assumption on the flypast thing is that it would have been arranged months ago with Biden’s people and just went ahead as planned.
But that’s the thing, assumptions suddenly carry a much higher risk…
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
The US voted against, with Russia
- Aug 24, 2020
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You think a B-52 bomber was arranged by Biden's people, to do a fly-past on Estonia's Independence Day, (=a kick in the 'nads to Russia), and left untouched by Trump, to go ahead as planned?
That's the sort of thing a Russian would do, isn't it?
Oh, I see what you mean....
You never can tell...
I didn't have time to look at the link earlier. It's dated 18/8/2023. That's just under 18 months into the war, which is now 3 years old, so I'm not sure what relevance it is?
But regardless, I don't think Russia's war effort itself will collapse either now, or in the near future. What I do think would collapse, is the Russian economy, but that view would change if the US remove the sanctions on Russia.
I don't think Trumps decisions will make Ukraine lose, but they have the potential to save Russia from losing.
