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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)









happypig

Staring at the rude boys
May 23, 2009
8,384
Eastbourne
The captain and crew must be tried and jailed... what other deterrent is there?
It maybe highly likely that the ship dragged its anchor and damaged the cable but that's not enough to convict in a criminal court; you cannot convict on "probably".
A civil court however.....
 


raymondo

Well-known member
Apr 26, 2017
8,329
Wiltshire
It maybe highly likely that the ship dragged its anchor and damaged the cable but that's not enough to convict in a criminal court; you cannot convict on "probably".
A civil court however.....
Interesting (I'm clearly lacking legal knowledge 🙂).
What would need to be done for a criminal conviction, do you think? Video evidence, for example, of a ship dropping and dragging its anchor?
 


happypig

Staring at the rude boys
May 23, 2009
8,384
Eastbourne
Interesting (I'm clearly lacking legal knowledge 🙂).
What would need to be done for a criminal conviction, do you think? Video evidence, for example, of a ship dropping and dragging its anchor?
Video evidence might do it. Maybe forensic evidence (bits of cable stuck to the anchor or vice versa) if they can get it.
Maybe just shoot the lot of them and impound the ship.
 














raymondo

Well-known member
Apr 26, 2017
8,329
Wiltshire
Clear. Concise. Correct.


It's a brilliant interview.
Thank goodness for the strong and consistent messaging from the Baltic States.
Excellent that Estonia has blocked Russian TV channel transmissions (keep out the effing propaganda) and replaced them with Estonian Russian speaking channels (IIUC).
I had no idea that, after their independence, there was resistance at first.to their joining NATO.
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
54,515
Goldstone
There are a lot of videos on this channel, and they're usually all the same, but this one's a bit different. Towards the end it covers the practice of the Russian commanders hand-cuffing their own soldiers before sending them to battle, to make sure they don't run away. You can imagine what would happen if their vehicle is hit with a drone.

 




raymondo

Well-known member
Apr 26, 2017
8,329
Wiltshire
There are a lot of videos on this channel, and they're usually all the same, but this one's a bit different. Towards the end it covers the practice of the Russian commanders hand-cuffing their own soldiers before sending them to battle, to make sure they don't run away. You can imagine what would happen if their vehicle is hit with a drone.


Also (I think on BBC,🤔) Ukrainian troops say they haven't seen North Koreans on the front line for a couple of weeks: either withdrawn because of casualties and/or for more training (?)
 


Eric the meek

Fiveways Wilf
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Aug 24, 2020
7,988
It's a brilliant interview.
Thank goodness for the strong and consistent messaging from the Baltic States.
Excellent that Estonia has blocked Russian TV channel transmissions (keep out the effing propaganda) and replaced them with Estonian Russian speaking channels (IIUC).
I had no idea that, after their independence, there was resistance at first.to their joining NATO.
I echo your thanks to the Baltic States. I suspect the suffering they have endured is not widely known on here.

Their courage of messaging is not made up. It is a function of their experience of living in, and next door to, Russia.

 


raymondo

Well-known member
Apr 26, 2017
8,329
Wiltshire
There are a lot of videos on this channel, and they're usually all the same, but this one's a bit different. Towards the end it covers the practice of the Russian commanders hand-cuffing their own soldiers before sending them to battle, to make sure they don't run away. You can imagine what would happen if their vehicle is hit with a drone.


Interesting and detailed analysis of a part of the front line 👍.
 




Eric the meek

Fiveways Wilf
NSC Patron
Aug 24, 2020
7,988
Interesting and detailed analysis of a part of the front line 👍.
The strength of this thread, now 1000 pages long, is that we get a huge variety of input from a huge variety of sources.

Political interviews, geopolitical analyses, drone geek stuff, bavovnas, front line combat, and a few friendly Russian interlopers. And if that's not enough, we also have that crazy long haired economist. Something for everyone.
 


raymondo

Well-known member
Apr 26, 2017
8,329
Wiltshire
The strength of this thread, now 1000 pages long, is that we get a huge variety of input from a huge variety of sources.

Political interviews, geopolitical analyses, drone geek stuff, bavovnas, front line combat, and a few friendly Russian interlopers. And if that's not enough, we also have that crazy long haired economist. Something for everyone.
Not forgetting your eccentric Aunt Elvira, plus the occasional very good humour 😁.
 


Eric the meek

Fiveways Wilf
NSC Patron
Aug 24, 2020
7,988
Not forgetting your eccentric Aunt Elvira, plus the occasional very good humour 😁.
Yes, Aunt Elvira needs a category of her own. I first noticed the background to her video - what I assumed was her living room, with an atmospheric, mystical scene of trees and ethnic cleansing. I was quite taken by it.
 






papachris

Well-known member
It's a brilliant interview.
Thank goodness for the strong and consistent messaging from the Baltic States.
Excellent that Estonia has blocked Russian TV channel transmissions (keep out the effing propaganda) and replaced them with Estonian Russian speaking channels (IIUC).
I had no idea that, after their independence, there was resistance at first.to their joining NATO.
I am very proud of my host country
 


raymondo

Well-known member
Apr 26, 2017
8,329
Wiltshire
Yes, Aunt Elvira needs a category of her own. I first noticed the background to her video - what I assumed was her living room, with an atmospheric, mystical scene of trees and ethnic cleansing. I was quite taken by it.
Yes interesting, classic decor...looked like a silk painting 🤔.
She should do a double act with 'Mark, the Economist', they'd be unstoppable.
 


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