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Curious Orange

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WATFORD zero said:
I do think that if you are incapable of answering a simple question, an obscure youtube link is always as good :facepalm:
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He has form for linking/quoting nonsense.

I can't be bothered responding to the blatant trolling any further as this particular subject is off topic in any case.
 




Hugo Rune

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jcdenton08 said:
It’s because of recorded conviction rates for sexual offences including rape.


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According to the most recent published statistics, which you can see above, trans women are more likely to be in prison for sexual offending than not, and only 3.3% of women are in prison for sex offences compared to 16.8% of men.

The numbers don’t lie. Transwomen and men pose a far higher risk of serious sexual offending than women, making biological women in men’s spaces much, much lower risk.
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With the greatest respect, quoting these highly selective, statistically questionable findings from three lesbian feminists (from a number of different academic fields) who have made it their life ambitions to attack trans women and to halt what they consider pure lesbians transitioning into trans men is not a great look.

Let’s be clear. These three academics are at least sympathetic to the LGB Alliance theory that thousands of lesbian girls across the country are being influenced to transition into trans men because their parents are homophobic and hate women, at worst, they are fully paid up members. They hate Stonewall with a passion, almost as much as they hate men.

These three woman are just as bad as the lunatic trans lobby. The ones who think you can be whatever you want, whenever you like. These women are the sorts that are regularly kicked out of Pride parades etc. These people (on both sides) are tiny in number yet are being used to gaslight idiot right wing gammon and far left activists by the media and politicians. They are all full of shit.

There are so many more important things to worry about and discuss but for the likes of Johnson and Trump, they know a culture war will mobilise the white, uneducated, male heterosexual vote so they want it front page news. It’s pathetic.
 


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jcdenton08 said:
This isn’t transphobia, it’s a documented fact. Most of the women I know feel safer in biological women only toilets.
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Honestly? As a woman I don’t know anyone who actually cares. Women’s toilets are always cubicles, I don’t have a clue who is in the one next to me at any given moment and they don’t have a clue I’m in there either.

The whole toilet debate has always been idiotic, I’ve seen more pissed up men in the women’s toilets at football grounds than I have anywhere else. A sign on a door is hardly going to stop someone who was ever really intent on committing any kind of sexual assault in a bathroom, if you are happy to commit one serious crime, you are hardly likely to care about adhering to door signage.

Clearly gender neutral toilet cubicles (found in most decent cafes, coffee shops and often restaurants etc these days) is a pretty easy way forward and the whole f***ing debate goes away. See also changing facilities.
 


clapham_gull

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It's one of those debates that has given far too many people something to think about, beyond the disgrace of the Red Arrows not making an appearance at the Olympic Opening Ceremony.

True story. I watched the London Opening is Greece and after an hour a couple in the hotel walked out in disgust.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Littlemo said:
Honestly? As a woman I don’t know anyone who actually cares. Women’s toilets are always cubicles,
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Whilst I agree with you, it’s f***ing odd that it’s mainly blokes who get into a total frenzy about this.
 






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Hugo Rune said:
With the greatest respect, quoting these highly selective, statistically questionable findings from three lesbian feminists (from a number of different academic fields) who have made it their life ambitions to attack trans women and to halt what they consider pure lesbians transitioning into trans men is not a great look.

Let’s be clear. These three academics are at least sympathetic to the LGB Alliance theory that thousands of lesbian girls across the country are being influenced to transition into trans men because their parents are homophobic and hate women, at worst, they are fully paid up members. They hate Stonewall with a passion, almost as much as they hate men.

These three woman are just as bad as the lunatic trans lobby. The ones who think you can be whatever you want, whenever you like. These women are the sorts that are regularly kicked out of Pride parades etc. These people (on both sides) are tiny in number yet are being used to gaslight idiot right wing gammon and far left activists by the media and politicians. They are all full of shit.

There are so many more important things to worry about and discuss but for the likes of Johnson and Trump, they know a culture war will mobilise the white, uneducated, male heterosexual vote so they want it front page news. It’s pathetic.
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Condescending nonsense
 








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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
I agree with you....but I have honestly not seen these lobbies (to allow trans men to play women's sport or use women's refuges).
They sound completely mad, but do they have any traction and support in the mainstream world?
Is Emma Watson the leader of trans men with an attitude?
If so that would be....most peculiar.
Do these lobbies even exist?

I remember PIE in the 70s, but they did not have any traction.
Not that I'm intending to equate biological men who want to be part of the world of women with perverts.

It all sounds like a load of old bollocks for 'anti woke' nutcases to get aeriated about.
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Okay I just need to correct you on a couple of bits here.

Men who transition to women are trans women are who these lobbies complain about. Trans men are women who transition to men. So in theory should they get their publicly stated way trans men should be allowed in women's refuges and trans women wouldn't. Not that this is the end goal of these people but they rarely say the quiet part out loud for example the new executive order banning gender affirming for people 19 and under.
 


Hugo Rune

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n1 gull said:
Condescending nonsense
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No.

This is condescending nonsense:



A radical man hating women looking at rape statistics for crimes committed by females. She states that women can’t participate in rape because they don’t have a penis and heavily implies that it’s trans-men committing these crimes without any evidence at all.

These are the sort of academics that were cancelled on campuses for this nonsense. This enabled the Tories and the right to hoist the ‘cancellation’ and ‘anti-woke’ agendas and use these cases to back up their nonsense knowing full well their target audience would not be capable of tracing the back stories to all of this.

My point is, who actually gives a shit? Why have we been told all this is such a problem by the right wing media and politicians? The biggest stat in any of this is the suicide rates of trans people, I think this is being affected by the right wing media spotlight on their community.

The vast, vast majority of trans people are not nutty trans activists or sex offenders. The vast, vast majority of lesbians are not man hating radical feminists banned from Pride marches. Why do these two tiny niche groups have the ability to steer the narrative?

The people who control what YOU think need YOU to get upset about ‘woke’, because they need you to vote for them and consume their media in order to make them richer and more powerful.
 




jcdenton08

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Hugo Rune said:
The biggest stat in any of this is the suicide rates of trans people, I think this is being affected by the right wing media spotlight on their community.
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That’s certainly one interpretation of why suicide and self-harm rates are so high, yes.
 


Curious Orange

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I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of people don't even think about gender, let alone think that their concept of their gender gives them the right to be in a space that is reserved for a sex that isn't their own.
 


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superseagull1994 said:
Okay I just need to correct you on a couple of bits here.

Men who transition to women are trans women are who these lobbies complain about. Trans men are women who transition to men. So in theory should they get their publicly stated way trans men should be allowed in women's refuges and trans women wouldn't. Not that this is the end goal of these people but they rarely say the quiet part out loud for example the new executive order banning gender affirming for people 19 and under.
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OK, thanks.

I don't know what 'gender affirming' means, however.
 






jcdenton08

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
OK, thanks.

I don't know what 'gender affirming' means, however.
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The steps taken to reinforce their new gender. Such as surgery (vaginoplasty, mastectomy et al), gender hormone treatment, puberty blockers and so forth. In the main they are irreversible treatments, which is why there is a lot of - let’s say controversy - about their promotion to children as forms of treatment.

There are entire charities and organisations set up to help children transition from a very young age (pre-pubescent), which are deemed extremely controversial by many, by virtue of the fact that if their parents aren’t in support of their decision, they have carried out treatments without parental consent. Again, these are very young children in some cases who can’t consent to sexual activity, nor can they consent to voluntary life-changing surgery.

I’m trying to word this solely factually and objectively. Nothing I say above can be disputed as documented fact.
 


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jcdenton08 said:
The steps taken to reinforce their new gender. Such as surgery (vaginoplasty, mastectomy et al), gender hormone treatment, puberty blockers and so forth. In the main they are irreversible treatments, which is why there is a lot of - let’s say controversy - about their promotion to children as forms of treatment.

There are entire charities and organisations set up to help children transition from a very young age (pre-pubescent), which are deemed extremely controversial by many.

I’m trying to word this solely factually and objectively. Nothing I say above can be disputed as documented fact.
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So in America you are a child until you're 19?

Crikey. I know that Americans in general are somewhat infantilized, some never growing up, but I hadn't realized this is enshrined in their laws.
 


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