[Politics] Trump's new gender executive order...

Harry Wilson's tackle · Jan 29, 2025

BadFish said:
I wonder if, between them, Crawley Dingo and HWT have the whole site on ignore?

We certainly have each other on ignore.
But as in the present thread, I am well aware that he is a busy and active poster from all the replies, quoting and mocking his guff.
Luckily the guff is not visible to me.
The replies often make me laugh however.
Which is nice.

I am assuming Potty has me on ignore because it is months since he has give me an oh-so hilarious 'ironic' thumbs up.

Back to Dingo, so many replies to him in this thread, and their content seems to suggest the political thread troll has lost his tiny mind.
How sad.

Crawley Dingo · Jan 30, 2025

Curious Orange said:
*Sigh*

President Donald Trump appointed Rod Rosenstein as Deputy Attorney General, who then appointed Robert Mueller as Special Counsel to investigate possible Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. The completed report was handed to Attorney General Bill Barr.

All of the above happened during President Trump's first term of office, and from his Department of Justice.

So what? how does that lead to not being a corrupt affair? The thing was a set up by the FBI, Rodstein appointed "operation Mockingbird" Muller to investigate fabricated claims.

Either you are claiming Trump stitched himself up? Eh? or how is your claim relevant to the actual inquiry being a Hoax?

Curious Orange · Jan 30, 2025

Crawley Dingo said:
So what? how does that lead to not being a corrupt affair? The thing was a set up by the FBI, Rodstein appointed "operation Mockingbird" Muller to investigate fabricated claims.

Either you are claiming Trump stitched himself up? Eh? or how is your claim relevant to the actual inquiry being a Hoax?

What are you dribbling on about? You are the one claiming that the report was a hoax, I have merely pointed out the very obvious flaw in your reasoning.

dsr-burnley · Jan 30, 2025

stewart12 said:
The door or a women's public toilet isn't some magical forcefield that predatory men can't get through. If a man wants to rape a woman in a public toilet they don't need a pair of high heels, years worth of hormone treatment and invasive surgeries to do so

Having worked with numerous members of the trans community in various support working situations I can tell you that without exception they find every trip to a Public toilet an incredibly stressful and nerve shredding experience, and just want to get in and out without being noticed. Every single woman you or I know will have been in a women's toilet with a trans woman without knowing it on countless occasions. Have any women that you know been abused by a trans woman in a public toilet?

The alternative is, of course, to insist on people who present as female using male toilets.

Ultimately I just don't think this is anywhere near as straightforward as people like.

The problem is that there are two sorts of people with this demand the right to use women's toilets. One is transgender women born a man, and there is little or no problem with them using women's toilets. The other is men who are perverts and want (for whatever reason) to use the women's toilets.

As it stands, or stood until recently, if a women was goijng into the women's toilets and an obvious male followed her in, she could turn round and tell him to get out. If certain lobbies have their way, she won't be able to do that. That is the problem.

The primary reason for separating women and men in such places is not to protect women from all men - just to protect them from the evil men. Opening the door from the evil men is not (IMO) a price worth paying for the sake of trans women who don't look like women.

dsr-burnley · Jan 30, 2025

stewart12 said:
Like many things I firmly believe that social media has thrown a colossal spanner into this "argument"

Trans people aren't some brand new phenomena. In some capacity people have been blurring the lines of gender for hundreds of years and even medically the first gender affirming surgery was not far off a hundred years ago

Even recently back when people actually regularly watched Soaps, one of our most beloved characters was a trans woman, with her wedding being one of the most watched episodes of anything in the 00s.

Likewise back when Big Brother was HUGE, their second most watched series in the shows history was won by a trans woman- voted for by the public. I simply don't remember any controversy about it at all

social media has removed people's ability to see beyond black and white on this issue- with a vulnerable minority at the center of it

The primary reason this has blown up is because of two (in particular) issues that have not been issues before.

One, the issue that started it all off, is women's refuges. Certain people, eg. Joanne Rowling, believe that biological women who are frightened of biological men should be able to have safe spaces where biological men are not allowed. Certain other people, eg. Emma Watson, are determined that biological women who are afraid of biological men should not be allowed those safe spaces.

Two, sport. Again, the trans lobby is determined that sports should be segregated on social grounds, nothing to do with the fact that biological women have a significant size and strength disadvantage over biological men.

To many people (me included, fwiw) the "trans lobby" views on these two issues are not only stupid, but dangerous. If the trans lobby stopped pushing for those, they would have a better chance that other people would stop pushing back.

Curious Orange · Jan 30, 2025

Funny how this issue always comes down to talking about males being in female spaces, and nobody ever talks about females being in male spaces as a problem. Why is that do you think?

jcdenton08 · Jan 30, 2025

Curious Orange said:
Funny how this issue always comes down to talking about males being in female spaces, and nobody ever talks about females being in male spaces as a problem. Why is that do you think?

It’s because of recorded conviction rates for sexual offences including rape.

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

According to the most recent published statistics, which you can see above, trans women are more likely to be in prison for sexual offending than not, and only 3.3% of women are in prison for sex offences compared to 16.8% of men.

The numbers don’t lie. Transwomen and men pose a far higher risk of serious sexual offending than women, making biological women in men’s spaces much, much lower risk.

A1X · Jan 30, 2025

So 129 out of 78,781 offenders is Trans? 0.0016%?

Are we not spending a disproportionate amount of time on this issue?

jcdenton08 · Jan 30, 2025

A1X said:
So 129 out of 78,781 offenders is Trans? 0.0016%?

Are we not spending a disproportionate amount of time on this issue?

Trans people make up a very small minority of people even in the latest published census. Their sexual offending rates are way, way above average for either men or women. This isn’t transphobia, it’s a documented fact. Most of the women I know feel safer in biological women only toilets. You can feel that’s wrong, bigoted, whatever - but it’s how many people feel and the statistics don’t contradict their fears.

A1X · Jan 30, 2025

jcdenton08 said:
Trans people make up a very small minority of people even in the latest published census. Their sexual offending rates are way, way above average for either men or women. This isn’t transphobia, it’s a documented fact. Most of the women I know feel safer in biological women only toilets. You can feel that’s wrong, bigoted, whatever - but it’s how many people feel and the statistics don’t contradict their fears.

I don’t recall using any of those words.

My point is that transgender issues are EVERYWHERE in our news cycle. Barely a day goes by without some new outrage story about transgender people being broadcast like a foghorn across the internet. But, as we can see, the actual numbers involved are tiny and, dare I say, the risk is almost negligible to women. That doesn’t belittle the horror and awfulness of being a victim, of course it doesn’t, but the numbers do not suggest this is an issue which deserves anything like the level of attention it receives.

BadFish · Jan 30, 2025

I'll ask the question again as no-one ever seems to want to answer it.

Why do people who wish to make the world safer for women spend so much time talking about men pretending to be trans in toilets and changing rooms?

Statistically this must be the most common scenario for women getting attacked given there is so much discussion about it?

Herr we are on a male dominated message board and it seems there is a Never ending discussion about toilets and changing rooms. Without, to my recollection, a single recorded incident of this scenario happening.

Yet there is rarely a discussions about date rape or domestic violence for example .

We are not alone, social media seems to be the same.

Tell me again how we are taking about women's safety and not trans people.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Jan 30, 2025

dsr-burnley said:
The primary reason this has blown up is because of two (in particular) issues that have not been issues before.

One, the issue that started it all off, is women's refuges. Certain people, eg. Joanne Rowling, believe that biological women who are frightened of biological men should be able to have safe spaces where biological men are not allowed. Certain other people, eg. Emma Watson, are determined that biological women who are afraid of biological men should not be allowed those safe spaces.

Two, sport. Again, the trans lobby is determined that sports should be segregated on social grounds, nothing to do with the fact that biological women have a significant size and strength disadvantage over biological men.

To many people (me included, fwiw) the "trans lobby" views on these two issues are not only stupid, but dangerous. If the trans lobby stopped pushing for those, they would have a better chance that other people would stop pushing back.

I agree with you....but I have honestly not seen these lobbies (to allow trans men to play women's sport or use women's refuges).
They sound completely mad, but do they have any traction and support in the mainstream world?
Is Emma Watson the leader of trans men with an attitude?
If so that would be....most peculiar.
Do these lobbies even exist?

I remember PIE in the 70s, but they did not have any traction.
Not that I'm intending to equate biological men who want to be part of the world of women with perverts.

It all sounds like a load of old bollocks for 'anti woke' nutcases to get aeriated about.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Jan 30, 2025

BadFish said:
I'll ask the question again as no-one ever seems to want to answer it.

Why do people who wish to make the world safer for women spend so much time talking about men pretending to be trans in toilets and changing rooms?

Statistically this must be the most common scenario for women getting attacked given there is so much discussion about it?

Herr we are on a male dominated message board and it seems there is a Never ending discussion about toilets and changing rooms. Without, to my recollection, a single recorded incident of this scenario happening.

Yet there is rarely a discussions about date rape or domestic violence for example .

We are not alone, social media seems to be the same.

Tell me again how we are taking about women's safety and not trans people.

I have a theory.

Anti-woke gammon use the trope to inform their silly-arse narrative.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Jan 30, 2025

jcdenton08 said:
Trans people make up a very small minority of people even in the latest published census. Their sexual offending rates are way, way above average for either men or women. This isn’t transphobia, it’s a documented fact. Most of the women I know feel safer in biological women only toilets. You can feel that’s wrong, bigoted, whatever - but it’s how many people feel and the statistics don’t contradict their fears.

Please post a link to a reliable source.

I want numbers ('n') not just percentages.

I was once told that research papers from Paraguay to the journal I edit had 'doubled in the previous 12 months. A 100% increase.'

This was an increase from one to two.

This was apparently 'much less' than the increase in submissions from the UK which as 'only from 30 to 40, a mere 33% increase'.

I love statistics, me.

jcdenton08 · Jan 30, 2025

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Please post a link to a reliable source.

I did, to be fair. I think you’ve only read half the conversation and missed out my original post on this subject?

BadFish · Jan 30, 2025

jcdenton08 said:
I did, to be fair. I think you’ve only read half the conversation and missed out my original post on this subject?

Not to the claim he is posting you didn't, if I am reading your data correctly you posted that trans people are more likely to be imprisoned for sexual offences than other crimes.

Not that they are more likely to commit sexual offences than other groups. Is this the suggestion you are making in the post HWT quoted, it's not clear to be fair.

Motogull · Jan 30, 2025

I vote to ban toilets in confined spaces.

Animals ain’t shy so we shouldn’t be either.

Crawley Dingo · Jan 30, 2025

Curious Orange said:
*Sigh*

President Donald Trump appointed Rod Rosenstein as Deputy Attorney General, who then appointed Robert Mueller as Special Counsel to investigate possible Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. The completed report was handed to Attorney General Bill Barr.

All of the above happened during President Trump's first term of office, and from his Department of Justice.

So what? how does that lead to not being a corrupt affair? The thing was a set up by the FBI, Rodstein appointed "operation Mockingbird" Muller to investigate fabricated claims.

Either you are claiming Trump stitched himself up? Eh? or how is your claim relevant to the actual inquiry being a Hoax?

Curious Orange said:
What are you dribbling on about? You are the one claiming that the report was a hoax, I have merely pointed out the very obvious flaw in your reasoning.

I dont think you have a grip of what was happening, this spells it out..

WATFORD zero · Jan 30, 2025

Crawley Dingo said:
So what? how does that lead to not being a corrupt affair? The thing was a set up by the FBI, Rodstein appointed "operation Mockingbird" Muller to investigate fabricated claims.

Either you are claiming Trump stitched himself up? Eh? or how is your claim relevant to the actual inquiry being a Hoax?

I dont think you have a grip of what was happening, this spells it out..

I do think that if you are incapable of answering a simple question, an obscure youtube link is always as good :facepalm:

Curious Orange · Jan 30, 2025

BadFish said:
Not to the claim he is posting you didn't, if I am reading your data correctly you posted that trans people are more likely to be imprisoned for sexual offences than other crimes.

'Trans' as a category is pretty rubbish. Trans what? There doesn't seem to be much in common between transexuals, transvestites, autogynophiles, drag queens etc, they all have different personal journeys to where they are, and I'm confident rates of sexual offending aren't common either. So why are they lumped together?

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