portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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To represent Ipswich viewpoint for balance, it’s a Red all day long. With a flogging around the fleet too. Minimum
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[Albion] Pedro's "challenge" on Walton
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Barely a foul if you ask me. Walton wants to grow a pair and man up. 🫣
In all seriousness though, it's probably just a foul. The
Key point for me is when the keeper plays the ball. Milliseconds before Pedro arrives. The keeper is also slap bang in front of his goal. So I think Pedro thinks, for most of that run, that if he can get there he's going to force Walton to try and smash the ball and he'll block it back into the goal. I think the little sideways pass throws him.
One thing I will concede though is that once he realises he can't get there, he doesn't exactly do everything he can to make evasive manouvres. And kind of just lets his body go where its going to go. So just a foul, maybe a yellow if youre gonna be a namby pamby petticoat about it. But deffo not a red.
One thing I would say though is that he looked guilty as sin when rhe ref was talking on his headset, and once he was given the yellow, had a face that the ancient Romans would have called 'smirkus maximus and smug as f*ckus'.
Never take up poker Joao, lad.
In all seriousness though, it's probably just a foul. The
Key point for me is when the keeper plays the ball. Milliseconds before Pedro arrives. The keeper is also slap bang in front of his goal. So I think Pedro thinks, for most of that run, that if he can get there he's going to force Walton to try and smash the ball and he'll block it back into the goal. I think the little sideways pass throws him.
One thing I will concede though is that once he realises he can't get there, he doesn't exactly do everything he can to make evasive manouvres. And kind of just lets his body go where its going to go. So just a foul, maybe a yellow if youre gonna be a namby pamby petticoat about it. But deffo not a red.
One thing I would say though is that he looked guilty as sin when rhe ref was talking on his headset, and once he was given the yellow, had a face that the ancient Romans would have called 'smirkus maximus and smug as f*ckus'.
Never take up poker Joao, lad.
Uncle Spielberg
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To be fair he could/should have had 2 red cards for this and the elbow fling. Needs to calm down a bit
I've played in goal for over 30 years. I have experienced what happened to Walton scores of times. Every time I'm always FUMING with the forward. Not once has the forward been shown a RED card. Not even for the challenge that broke my FACE.
My son said red in real time, I said yellow, and stick by it. He's jumping to block the ball and then tries to turn his back when he sees the collision is going to happen. It's reckless but not violent. The laws are really clear that if the referee believes a foul is reckless then he has to give a yellow, only if it is violent conduct or serious foul play is it a red.
If people think it is either of those last two things I can understand why they'd give a red. I wouldn't.
If people think it is either of those last two things I can understand why they'd give a red. I wouldn't.
deletebeepbeepbeep
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I was amazed VAR didn't review it. Got away with one.
Milano
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I flipping hope he wasn't!!! VAR is a post-decision system. I'd hope he was speaking to his linesmen or 4th official.
Yeah agreed. My first reaction was "Why on Earth is he jumping into that challenge?". The moment he jumps, he's out of control and risks a red card. He's been a very lucky boy these last few weeks.
As I've said before, given that for 2-3 minutes in EVERY match this season he reduces us to 10 men by lying on the floor after something fairly innocuous whilst the opposition, build an attack, he's become very "robust" in dishing it out.
SeagullinExile
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Obviously not.
Ostrich here, ignore thread forever button, thank you.
nickbrighton
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yellow i think, you can see him take avoiding action but by that time he is airborne, had he not turned his body they would have smashed into each other head on, that could have been very nasty. Both going for a loose ball , both realising at the last moment niether is getting there first
The fact that Ipswich players weren't clamouring for him to go, and the manager doesn't think its a red-why are we?
The fact that Ipswich players weren't clamouring for him to go, and the manager doesn't think its a red-why are we?
mikeyjh
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That's exactly what I immediately thought - Is there foul play? Yes. Is there contact with the head? Yes. Any mitigation? No. There are some things rugby does well, this is one of them. Pedro could have done so much more to be less dangerous but he was entirely reckless and cowardly.
Uh_huh_him
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The assertion that 95% of Albion fans would have thought it was a red, is not the wringing endorsement for your view, that you think it is.
Similarly with the Pedro penalty the other week.
Arsenal fans think it was not a foul, Brighton fans think it was a penalty.
Neutrals were split pretty much 50-50
Mellor 3 Ward 4
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Red for me - I said so watching it live last night.
The only thing that possibly saves him is that Pedro doesn't have his arm/elbow up.
Still lucky IMO to be on the pitch.
I wonder what those who said no foul/yellow would have said if Delap had done that on Bart.....
The only thing that possibly saves him is that Pedro doesn't have his arm/elbow up.
Still lucky IMO to be on the pitch.
I wonder what those who said no foul/yellow would have said if Delap had done that on Bart.....
We made him captain instead of telling him not to do those things.
Needs a red card. Quite clearly we're not going to change him so someone else will have to.
thedonkeycentrehalf
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Same here although to be fair, there are few forwards I have taken out over the years which is this day and age would probably be red card for me.
Not proud to say that once I made a Schumacher type challenge on a forward (I though he was going to lob me so went high to block) which flattened the guy and similarly only resulted in a goal kick.
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Blues Guitarist
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In the context of a game where Delap shoulder-charging people in the back off the ball wasn't even a foul, I think yellow was about right.
The Fits
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I haven’t spoken to any supporter of another team who hasn’t thought that the elbow was not just a red but that was also psychotic.
It really wasn't bad live. A suicide ball from the defender that JP had every right to go for.
It was a foul, and probably a booking in that it was a late challenge, but he very clearly went for a ball that was there to be challenged for. The collision wasn't nice, but you've got to allow for accidental collisions to happen in football without it being a red card offence.
It was a foul, and probably a booking in that it was a late challenge, but he very clearly went for a ball that was there to be challenged for. The collision wasn't nice, but you've got to allow for accidental collisions to happen in football without it being a red card offence.